I don't care if someone thinks I'm overreacting. I don't care if anyone says I'm redundant or obsessed. Anyone who doesn't recognize the rising existential threat to our republic has their own issues of burying their heads in the sand, or up Trump's ass.
With every passing day our indicted racketeering serial criminal and former president goes farther down the path towards white nationalist fascism.
Trump
turned a national holiday greeting into a virtual neo-Nazi assault against fellow
Americans who don’t support him.
He marked Veterans Day with a screed that echoes Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”.
Replace "fascists" with "Jews" and "America" with "Germany", and we see the disturbingly identical rhetoric of Hitler's Nuremberg rally.
In honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our Country, lie, steal, and cheat on Elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American Dream. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and anger of the Radical Left Lunatics who want to destroy our Country, we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
The draft dodging coward desecrates the honor and sacrifices made by real American patriots. He called them “losers” and “suckers” as he refused to go to a military cemetery on a rainy day because it would get his hair wet.
He didn’t want any wounded veterans near him because it didn’t “look good” for him.
Instead, he praises his insurrectionist thugs and admires cruel dictators like Putin, Kim, Xi and Orban.
Trump is a tyrant.
Like every autocrat before him, he promises, "If I happen to be president, and I see somebody who is doing well and beating me very badly, I'll say, 'go down and indict them.'"
Indict them for what? The “crime” of being supported by more voters? By falsely claiming that Biden is abusing his powers to weaponize the Justice Department, Trump is laying the groundwork to weaponize it himself.
As revealed in the nefarious “Project 2025”, he intends to purge the US Government of everyone who won’t swear loyalty to HIM. He wants the Justice Department to be his political enforcement police. His own private Gestapo.
He echoes Hiter in more ways than most Americans will comprehend.
In "Mein Kampf" Chapter 11 titled, "Nations and Race," Hitler wrote the following:
"All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning."
And "Adolf" Trump echoes the Fuhrer's racist white nationalism all the way with:
“Nobody
has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from
prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know
they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right
now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of our
country.”
He sounds like someone with a "final solution" for people he hates.
Hitler and Trump both HATED a free press. Journalism has always been seen as a threat by tyrants.
The German Nazis used the term “Lügenpresse”, or lying press, in their campaign to destroy journalism. Now American fascists cry “liberal media”, “fake news” and “enemy of the people” when their lies are exposed, and the truth threatens their agenda.
Hitler said, “What good fortune for those in power that people do not think”.
Trump said, "I love the poorly educated".
Hitler and Trump were/are both ultra-nationalist white supremacists.
Hitler and Trump used these ultra-nationalist slogans:
Hitler: "Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Fuhrer!" (One people. One Realm. One Leader.)
Trump: "One people. One family. One glorious nation."
Hitler and Trump pretended to be victimized by minorities and stoked racist hate.
Hitler and Trump gained support by demonizing and scapegoating minorities.
Hitler and Trump loved large rallies of racist loyal fanatics to lie, demonize, blame, and falsely accuse those they hated.
Every German Nazi pledged loyalty to the Fuhrer. Every American neo-Nazi is a Trump supporter.
Hitler imprisoned all political opponents. If not for our Constitutional rule of law, Trump would imprison his political opponents. He openly threatened to jail Hillary Clinton
Hitler and Trump would accuse anyone standing in his way of being a communist or Marxist, Jews in Hitler’s case, and Democrats, Black prosecutors, and judges in Trump’s. He calls every Black DA and prosecutor who holds him accountable for crimes “racists”.
Hitler and Trump were/are insurrectionist criminals. They each incited a violent political insurrection to seize power.
Hitler's Putsch was in 1923 and Trump's Putsch was January 2021.
Hitler had brown shirts and his SS thugs. Trump has his Proud Boys and Oath Keepers thugs.
Hitler had Goebbels. Trump has OAN, FOX(R), Newsmax, etc.
Hitler hated democracy. Trump tried to overturn our election.
Hitler and Trump encouraged police brutality.
Hitler and Trump admired Russian tyrants.
Hitler and Trump demanded loyalty over competence.
Hitler and Trump smeared educators and liberals who disagreed with them as “Communists”.
Hitler and Trump were/are anti-union.
On May 2, 1933, just three months after Adolf Hitler’s appointment as Chancellor of Germany, the SA and police occupied the offices of German Trade Unions, seizing control of them.
The NLRB members Trump appointed made it more difficult for unions to win representation at nonunion workplaces. He issued three Executive Orders aimed at degrading the rights of federal sector employees.
On the day Biden stood with the UAW union strikers, Trump held a rally at an anti-union company with FAKE union supporters. One individual in the crowd who held a sign that said "union members for Trump," acknowledged that she wasn't a union member when approached by a Detroit News reporter after the event. Another person with a sign that read "auto workers for Trump" said he wasn't an auto worker when asked for an interview. Both people didn't provide their names.
Hitler
and Trump pandered to Christians.
"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." - Adolf Hitler "My New World Order" - Proclamation to the German Nation, Berlin, February 1, 1933
Trump brandished a Bible for a photo op after GASSING non-violent protesters objecting to police brutality. After lying about the Bible being his “favorite book”, he couldn’t even cite a single passage.
Hitler and Trump were/are bigots who demonized homosexuals and denied women reproductive freedom.
On
October 10, 1936 Heinrich Himmler created the Reich Central Office for
Combating Homosexuality and Abortion, or Special Office (II S), a
sub-department of Executive Department II of the Gestapo.
Trump appointed unqualified theocrats to the Supreme Court to appease anti-abortion right-wing Christians.
When neo-Nazi fascists tell you who they are, believe them the first time.
Trump declared: “Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
When
enemies of the Constitution tell you what they are, believe them the first
time.
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There may actually be over a million Spanish patriots protesting today in Madrid against the socialist coup…
November 12, 2023
Spanish Patriots come out in droves to protest the LEFT wing government’s suspension of the rule of law to accommodate left wing separatists
Tell us again about MAGA.
Anonymous,
If you had bothered to read the post you wouldn't have needed to ask again about MAGA.
But I am very patient with children and the mentally ill, so here you go.
Hitler and Trump were/are insurrectionist criminals. They each incited a violent political insurrection to seize power.
Hitler's Putsch was in 1923 and Trump's Putsch was January 2021.
Hitler had brown shirts and his SS thugs. Trump has his Proud Boys and Oath Keepers thugs.
Hitler had Goebbels. Trump has OAN, FOX(R), Newsmax, etc.
Hitler hated democracy. Trump tried to overturn our election.
There's more. Much more. But you don't want to learn what you don't want to know.
Anonymous,
Spanish socialists are doing what your Dear Leader has already done and intends.
Pardoning separatists to form a coalition isn't much different than Trump pardoning his criminal cronies and intentions to pardon his January 6 insurrectionist thugs.
Do you have a problem with THAT?
Anonymous has met his quota.
For others who may disagree with me, I suggest you use this simple format as a general outline to express and support your contrary position.
“Dave, I have to say you are stating falsehoods, or reached unreasoned conclusions, by claiming (_____) and (_______). These facts and evidence (_____) and (____) suggest you are quite mistaken.”
Childish name-calling won't cut it.
Nah, I'll skip the outline because you're right. The actual problem is the cult members don't like being called out for being in a cult, and the cult leaders really don't like it.
But it's a cult, and reprogramming that many people will be a nightmare.
Always the childish name calling. Where do these people get their examples?
Mike,
Thanks, and greetings.
It's certainly a cult by any standard. Their leader is seen as an infallibly honest prophet sent by God to save America.
I'd also say with rare exceptions de-programming them is nigh on impossible. People usually take their delusions to the grave. I have one former MAGA friend of Ukrainian heritage. He learned the hard way that Trump is the American Putin.
The real nightmare is their destruction of truth and democracy and resultant domestic terrorism. I'm afraid it will only get worse, no matter the outcome of the election. They are rabid enemies of democracy who will never relent in their war on our Constitutional representative republic.
Spirilis,
"Where do these people get their examples?"
I can't imagine...unless somehow the guy who said this has something to do with it:
"We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our Country."
Fascism expert Jason Stanley said Donald Trump’s Veterans Day vow to purge the “vermin”-like “radical left” more than just echoed Nazi Germany dictator Adolf Hitler.
MSNBC’s Mehdi Hasan asked the Yale University professor, who authored “How Fascism Works,” if he was “wrong to make the historical comparison to antisemitic propaganda during the Nazi years.”
“No,” Stanley replied. “It doesn’t echo ‘Mein Kampf’ ― this is textbook ‘Mein Kampf. Any antisemite will hear this vocabulary as directed against Jews.”
You CONSTANT HITLER REMARKS ARE NOT GOING TO HELP EITHER YOUR BS< OT BIDEN'S CHANCE FOR RE-ELECTION
It's going to be a lot more than Biden's age.
It's more likely to be that the Democrats have a big Bidenomics problem.
They have a hate and racism problem.
They have far Left fringe culture problem.
And they have an incredible corruption problem.
Biden has been a notorious Democrat Hate monger.
He fans the flames of racial tensions on purpose to divide Americans.
My take is that the Democrat Party's hate, racism and corruption has alienated millions of mainstream voters.
So, their solution is to replace them with third world voters.
They deny it, and they say that it's racist to suggest that they would want to replace mainstream Americans with third world illegal aliens.
His policies both Foreign, and Domestic is a total disgrace, and anyone with half a brain and a lack of mainstream media hypnosis damn well knows it.
And the Bidenomics problem, well good grief, this economy is just putrid!
Bidenomics problem, hmmmm. You mean like real wage growth at 5.3% currently outstripping inflation at 3.7%? Credit card debt and default skyrocketing, car loans default rising, housing is a mess, and the interest rates is killing everything
Dave, I'm as concerned and frightened as you are about Trump's increasingly unhinged rants promising vengeance against all who oppose him. Today, he threatened to put in mental institutions those who opposed him and who tried to "take him down"!
No candidate for the presidency has ever uttered such vengeful rhetoric or threats against the American people like that.
Trump is a clear and present danger to our democracy. And the harrowing fact is that there are millions of Americans who are willing to march with pitchforks and torches into fascism with him.
Trump Speaker,
Projection has a long history with the radical Right and Trumpists. You're serving that tradition.
Another tradition you're serving is the white nationalist/neo-Nazi "Great Replacement".
From the ADL:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/great-replacement-explainer
The following provides an introduction to “The Great Replacement:” Where it began, how it feeds into white supremacist grievances and which “mainstream” personalities have used it to score points and signal (not so subtly) their nativist point of view.
“The Great Replacement” theory has its roots in early 20th century French nationalism and books by French nationalist and author Maurice Barres. However, it was French writer and critic Renaud Camus who popularized the phrase for today’s audiences when he published an essay titled "Le Grand Remplacement," or "the great replacement," in 2011.
The “great replacement” philosophy was quickly adopted and promoted by the white supremacist movement, as it fit into their conspiracy theory about the impending destruction of the white race, also know as “white genocide.” It is also a strong echo of the white supremacist rallying cry, “the 14 words:” “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
Since many white supremacists, particularly those in the United States, blame Jews for non-white immigration to the U.S. the replacement theory is now associated with antisemitism.
The night before the August 2017 the Unite the Right rally, white supremacists, marching across the University of Virginia campus, shouted, “Jews will not replace us,” and “You will not replace us,” clear references to Camus’ theory.
Use By Individual Extremists
In October 2018, white supremacist Robert Bowers killed 11 people at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, PA, after writing a Gab post blaming Jews for bringing non-white immigrants and refugees to the U.S.
In March 2019, white supremacist Brenton Tarrant livestreamed himself killing 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand. Tarrant also released a manifesto online called “The Great Replacement,” an homage to Camus’ work.
In April 2019, white supremacist John Earnest killed one and injured three at a synagogue in Poway, CA. In a letter he released online, Earnest claimed that Jews were responsible for the genocide of “white Europeans,” and cited the influence of Bowers and Tarrant.
In August 2019, white supremacist Patrick Crusius opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, TX, killing 23 people and wounding almost two dozen. In a manifesto, Crusius talked about a “Hispanic invasion” and made reference to the great replacement.
Shaw,
Trump is going full Nazi and isn't even trying to hide it anymore.
Look at "Truth Speaker" eagerly goose-stepping behind his beloved infallible Fuhrer.
The enemies of democracy are showing us how our republic ends.
No matter who wins the next election, the radical Right will continue their violence and assaults on truth and human decency.
Gee whiz,...Hamas terrorists attack civilians in Israel, Savagely killing babies, slaughtering old people, and concert goers and women, burn down innocent peoples homes, ...then take over 240 people hostage...and Run back to Gaza and hide in underground tunnels beneath hospitals using civilians as human shields...but your issue is with Israel?
And THIS ADMINISTRATION has lost a lot of support from Democrats because of it. What does that tell you?
Stay you should away from Tim Tok and Progressive Blogs and you will get the Real picture.
Gee whiz, Ciceroni,
Talk about completely MISSING THE POINT.
Not once did I mention Israel in the post.
Or are you hallucinating?
That's my guess, since your head is already full of delusions, thinking Trump and his sycophants are showing you the "real picture".
Trump lost. Trump lies. You are in a cult.
And if you think disappointment with Biden will swing people to vote for Hitler II, you haven't learned anything from your "real picture".
But then, you'd never listen to "vermin", would you, Herr Sturmbannfuhrer?
For a Christian response to the concept of "Volk", followers of Jesus who also support Trump, should read two texts...
1. Dietrich Bonhoeffer's letter to Eberhard Bethge and,
2. Bonhoeffer's Black Jesus by Reggie Williams.
Then Christians might begin to understand how our faith was twisted and used to justify the behavior of those who during the run up to WW II also wanted kill and exterminate the "vermin".
Then maybe some will see the clear danger to the faith today and how it is being used for political purposes.
Such a key word in what you posted Dave. Thank you...
Dave,
You lost me at "followers of Jesus who also support Trump". Isn't that an oxymoron?
Thanks for the reading suggestions.
Trump Christians aren't interested in reading anything that makes them think. I can picture the reaction. "Black Jesus!! Ah aint a'readin' no CRT atheist crap! Chuck that commie book on the fire!""
“Between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference.” –Frederick Douglass, 1845
I don't care if You are overreacting like the MORON you are! . I don't care if anyone says your obsessed like that Dumb Ward Progressive Ding-Bat you try to emulate. Anyone who doesn't recognize the rising existential threat to our republic with that Delusional Simile Potatohead that is currently in the White House has their head up their Ass.
With every passing day our indicted racketeering and Greedy, criminal president and his Crackhead Son goes farther down the path towards white nationalist fascism.
Biden turned a national holiday like Veterans Day into a virtual assault against Americans Vets who gave years off their lives for this country,
Frank,
We see you think BIDEN wrote Trump's nasty neo-Nazi Veterans Day crap. Anyone that stupid WOULD think I'm a moron...or vermin. (Heil, Trump!)
Thank you for showing us why Trump said, "I love the poorly educated".
And thank you for your delusional display of projection, hate, and ignorance directly sucked from Trump's rectum.
And while you're head is up there absorbing your Malevolent Messiah's fecal-fueled fantasies, how about you show us those indictments against Biden?
Oh, there are none?
You must be projecting TRUMP'S indictments. Your felonious Fuhrer is the criminal white nationalist, but we understand your vision is impaired by the darkness up there, and your mind doesn't function when Trump does all your thinking for you.
Helpful Hints: Trump lost to Biden. Trump lied and committed numerous other felonies in his attempt to steal the election, including sending a violent mob to overturn the election so he can be dictator.
Of course none of these FACTS are visible up in the bowels of your Mendacious MAGAt Master, are they?
Dave, as for folks showing you Biden's indictments, here's what you'd hear if you ever got a response...
"You idiot! We know Biden is as guilty as sin, but Dems are better at covering up their despicable deeds."
That's the thinking of the unhinged kin folk of the Crusader Rabbit oops, Frank. Evidence does not matter with this crowd. Only what they want to believe, regardless of the facts.
Cranky Franky was trying to be clever by inserting his idiocy into my words to fit his delusional cult indoctrination.
It was embarrassingly clumsy, even for an adolescent. But that is as far as the MAGA cult has developed, both emotionally and rationally.
This goes back to Trump's idol Hitler, yet again.
"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach."
Frank said...
"With every passing day our indicted racketeering and Greedy, criminal president and his Crackhead Son goes farther down the path towards white nationalist fascism."
Nice to see you've finally grasped what we're up against. Indeed an indicted ex-president, and there's only one in our history, that being Donald Trump, is indeed a danger.
Dave,
That's the thing about projection. It always reflects back at them no matter how much they want it to describe those they hate.
Frank isn't bright enough to understand Hitler said, “What good fortune for those in power that people do not think”.
And Trump said, "I love the poorly educated".
They weren't exactly talking about socialists and progressives.
They are projecting their own innermost evils on their "perceived enemies" and telegraphing their intent to destroy our democratic republic as we've known it.
The MAGA's of this nation are one in the same emotional and mental make-up as the 1933 German Nazis.
Les,
One formerly hypothetical question has been definitively answered.
How would Americans react if they had a Hitler?
Unfortunately, we now know all to well.
The Liberals ought to write a new Constitution and begin it with, "A government by and for the DNC".
Lets stop trying to Fool people, and Let's have some clarity, Shall we?
Sorry, Anonymous. You had your one comment. Pick a name if you want to be posted again.
You tried to blame Biden for terrorist attacks by Hamas.
"This did not happen under Trump., and never would!"
Are you stupid? Or are you just ignorant of Hamas' attacks on Israel WHILE TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT?
That's OK. We get it. We KNOW you Trumpists are incapable of thinking for yourself. This is why you're in his cult.
Frank,
Is that as deep as your thinking can go?
Yes, Lets stop trying to Fool people, and Let's have some clarity, Shall we?
As we see in CF, idiocy be the name of MAGA.
Every time I read one of Lester's posts on Israel, or on Trump I can't help but thinking there's a place in this world for animal cruelty.
But is that thought fair on animals, is it ?
Isn't it that some humans have become mental deviants or Mutants and they are now our problem, but then again Lester isn't MY problem and thank God, let his Mama ,or his KEEPER worry about him
Does anyone else besides me think that Davy Dubya is such a BORE!
He seems to Think that his constant writing a compassion of Trump to Hitler is so CUTE, but it's so STUPID that we Republicans are Laughing at his Lunacy.
My advise to that A-Hole is to Get A Life!
And Get a New thing to write about, because we don't even read his CRAP any longer.
I'm willing to bet any amount on my conviction these MAGAts didn't even read the post. They rarely do. NONE of them can even cite any of words to rationally dispute.
I thank Anonymous for revealing his inner Nazi for us to clearly see. Notice how he invokes his desire for cruelty. It's always BEEN about CRUELTY for these fascist thugs.
"But is that thought fair on animals, is it?"
Hitler's answer, and now Trump's answer, is to see us as "vermin".
He continues with, "some humans have become mental deviants or Mutants and they are now our problem".
Again Trump's role model Uncle Adolf provides Anonymous the term he seeks. It is "sub-human", a Nazi favorite for those they regard as inferior to the "master race".
His fellow racist neo-Nazi Ted Nugent used that same Nazi slur against President Obama.
And poor "Thinking" is bored with my facts but is utterly incapable of refuting what he thinks is stupid. How IGNORANT is that? As I mentioned, it's highly unlikely he even read those fact-based comparisons between his Mendacious Malevolent Messiah and Hitler.
We know his wife at the time said he only kept two books. One was "Art of the Steal" ;-) and the other was Hitler's speeches.
Imagine lacking the mental capacity to even explain WHY they "think" something is stupid.
So what do neo-Nazis DO when they have no ability to form a rational response? They attack the person who shows the facts, of course. They fantasize about inflicting pain and suffering on those they hate for speaking the truth.
For "Thinking" to call itself that is truly an oxymoron.
It's love of facism and hate on steriods that fuels "Thinking's" ignorance.
Ever notice how these loud mouthed MAGA's hide behind anonymity? Why is that?
"Thinking said...
Does anyone else besides me think that Davy Dubya is such a BORE!
He seems to Think that his constant writing a compassion of Trump to Hitler is so CUTE, but it's so STUPID that we Republicans are Laughing at his Lunacy.
My advise to that A-Hole is to Get A Life!
And Get a New thing to write about, because we don't even read his CRAP any longer.
Hi Thinking!
If you don't read "his CRAP any longer," why did you come here and list the things that you read that he writes?
Your total lack of self-awareness is laughable.
HINT: Here's the definition of irony:
"A literary technique, originally used in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's words or actions are clear to the audience or reader although unknown to the character."
Apparently, "Thinking," you have no understanding of the words you write. That's an indication of poor THINKING skills.
SUGGESTION: Change your name to UNthinking.
Now you have a sparkling day.
Shaw and Les,
We know all too well these people DO NOT THINK. They operate from an emotional response of their primitive reptilian brain. It's always been about embracing their bias, emotions and FEELINGS over facts, evidence and reason.
And we can also clearly see their guiding emotions are the anger, fear and hate stoked by Trump and the radical Right. It is their drug. The rush they FEEL is highly addicting so they seek to constantly feed their anger, fear and hate by consuming more radical right propaganda and lies.
It’s a common characteristic for Trumpists, and any other cult, to lack the intellectual curiosity and moral courage to read or consider other viewpoints. They are indoctrinated to FEEL the others are liars who "hate America" and are out to get (replace) them.
A cult isn't a cult to the cult. Racism isn't racism to racists. Treason isn't treason to traitors.
Fascist movements would wither on the vine without paranoia, a manufactured sense of victimhood, scapegoating and hate.
Again, they are the reason behind Trump saying, "I love the poorly educated", and Hitler saying, "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think”.
SHAW, I DON'T NEED ANY OF YOUR ADVICE, NAME-CALLING OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ON DAVE DUBYA'S BLOG THEN DON'T READ IT. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!
OR IS IT TOO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
I am going through my subscriptions this morning and all I see is a ton of stories and comments about Crooked Hillary, the Queen of Corruption.
It seems she is adding to her hateful comments about me being deplorable, and is making for false statements about Trump and his supporters. I have noticed that a few Libtards have picked up on her ignorant comments about people who want to make America great again being in a cult. LOL. These are the same people who had children in schools singing songs of worship to Obama, North Korean style.
She also wants to deprogram us. I WONDER IF Biden has a new vaccine for that.
Yes, Shaw. Haven't you learned that everything, including name-calling, is OK for Republicans.
That means it's OK for them to call me an "A-Hole", and it doesn't matter that you DIDN'T call "Thinking" anything. Their FEELINGS are SOOO delicate.
Remember they are like Trump, with their emotional maturity ranging from a toddler to an adolescent.
They are so special. Bless their delicate little hearts.
Votar Roja,
Gee, I feel so sorry for you, being called deplorable and all. That must really hurt your feelings and make you furious.
I don't take any politician's word on faith, like you need to with Trump.
Trump tried to cancel my vote with his Big Lie and insurrection, and called me "vermin", while you can't even inform us on what Hillary lied about.
I bet you FEEL every word from Trump is gospel, too. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
"Please correct me if I am mistaken".
I wouldn't try to. Or Care to
Votar Roja,
Thank you. I accept your concession.
I thought that I speaking/writing with someone that would be "seasonable" , but I can see than I made a BIG mistake, and that all you are really interested in is calling people names because you don't agree with them. so lets just end our internet relationship right now.
Thank you
Votar,
Yeah, it must be difficult to FEEL you are being called names, especially when it didn't happen. You certainly felt free to use the term "libtards", didn't you?
I get it. When people have a leader who spreads fear, anger, lies, blame and hate, and they dare not question a word he says, it just might BE a cult. Especially when the paranoia is at the level they hallucinate being called names when it didn't happen.
You won't deny you take Trump's words as gospel and refused to indicate why you thought I was mistaken.
Yes, Hillary did say the worst of Trump's supporters are deplorable. That's what they proved to be when they stormed our Capitol, terrorized Congress, and beat cops bloody to overturn the election.
And if you refuse to consider the real facts and evidence of his crimes, and truly cannot find anything Trump says to be incorrect, you ARE in a cult. There's no other word for it.
Your fantasy about children "singing songs of worship to Obama, North Korean style" indicates your projection more than reality.
There is literally NO difference in the indoctrinated reverence you have for Trump and the indoctrinated reverence North Koreans have for Kim, who Trump obviously respects as an authoritarian dictator.
And since you lack the interest or ability to inform me how I might be mistaken, then it's no wonder you're disappointed that you don't find me "seasonable".
I appreciate what you say, believe it or not. I've always been fascinated by True Believers and cults.
Thanks for visiting.
TWO totalitarian countries piling up Nukes and means of delivery...
and you deem babbling of some dumb shit as Biggest Threat to Your Republic???
\\spirilis said...
\\ Always the childish name calling. Where do these people get their examples?
Not from DEMNs?
Foreigner.
We've survived Chinese and Soviet/Russian nuclear armament since 1964.
Trump IS the domestic enemy of our republic. His totalitarian war on truth, decency and democracy is accomplishing the instability in the US those foreign totalitarians want to see.
Anonymous,
Have you heard about Donald Trump's childish name-calling how his entire cult now emulates it?
When Nazis call us "vermin" we damn well take it seriously.
\\Foreigner.
\\We've survived Chinese and Soviet/Russian nuclear armament since 1964.
Was you going out of your basement since then? (like in "Blast from the Past" I mean)
Have you seen what a progress in Science and Technology happened???
Let alone that neither China nor Russia are territories with poor and dejected people, clutching for some U-236 to make something they (as their masters told em) to "protect" themself from you.
\\Trump IS the domestic enemy of our republic.
Is it truth... or some initiated by China and Rusha special operation to make you think so?
Are you sure?
\\His totalitarian war on truth, decency and democracy is accomplishing the instability in the US those foreign totalitarians want to see.
Believe me... you have very fuzzy understanding of what true totalitarianism is.
And you totalitarian enemies... have very good conversation with your "oh, so democratic" Biden. As well as previously with Obama.
Maybe in before too... with Kennedy for sure.
Foreigner,
Did you find any of my facts to be untrue? Do you deny the valid comparisons between Trump and Hitler?
Whether my understanding of totalitarianism is "fuzzy" or not, I can see clearly what is in front of my eyes.
I recognize authoritarians by their words and deeds.
Totalitarians take away people's rights. Trump put in religious Supreme Court Justices to eliminate women's reproductive rights.
His Republican Party has a clear history of limiting voting rights and rigging Congressional districts to deprive African Americans of fair representation.
American democracy is seriously flawed and vulnerable to authoritarian personalities who ramp up racism and hate. Trump's political rise was initiated by his lies about Obama's legitimacy as American born. Only the Black President had this racism leveled against him.
Totalitarians need to overcome democracy to hold power. Why else to you think Putin wanted Trump to win? Trump then attempted to overturn our election.
Now he calls those who oppose him "vermin". This is from Hitler's playbook.
Yes, diplomacy requires conversations with totalitarians, but only ONE of our presidents PRAISES tyrants.
Ukraine's resistance to a totalitarian invader is doomed if Trump wins.
I Totally ECHO what Foreigner said...In Spades!
"TWO totalitarian countries piling up Nukes and means of delivery...
and you deem babbling of some dumb shit as Biggest Threat to Your Republic??"
Frank,
I'm not minimizing the threat of nuclear weapons. I'm warning against the US becoming a totalitarian country with Nukes.
Nukes are a great threat to all humanity, while Trump is the greatest domestic threat to our democratic republic.
Why do you want a criminal for president?
\\Foreigner,
Did you find any of my facts to be untrue? Do you deny the valid comparisons between Trump and Hitler?
You think I have choose moniker Foreigner just for lulz???
That is YOUR country. And your elections. Your choices.
Do you want foreigner to interfere in your politics??? State some unsolicited opinions??? Take sides???
\\I recognize authoritarians by their words and deeds.
And what DEEDS can perform mere regular citizen of USA Trump??? To be called "autoritarian"???
Like Putin or Xi.
\\Totalitarians take away people's rights. Trump put in religious Supreme Court Justices to eliminate women's reproductive rights.
Hmm... they do not do that with assigning Supreme Court Justices... as it obviously can be seen through History.
\\American democracy is seriously flawed and vulnerable to authoritarian personalities who ramp up racism and hate.
And every other democracies is flawless??? :-))))
\\Totalitarians need to overcome democracy to hold power.
Naaah.
That is decision of population -- to dive into that river.
\\Why else to you think Putin wanted Trump to win? Trump then attempted to overturn our election.
For Putin... ANY changes in your government is good.
As it means change of policies. Possibility to solicit some benefits for himself.
And if it happen to create dis-unity in USA, disunity he can exploit further -- even better.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND that you are in war with Russia and China??? That they ALREADY DECIDED to be enemies of USA. And seeking only for where and when you'd show your back to them.
\\Now he calls those who oppose him "vermin". This is from Hitler's playbook.
Well... Hitler did it not on his whim -- but to prepare German to a war against USSR Commies... that tryed to overturn Germany to became Commie State... and when it didn't happened -- started preparing for a World Revolution.
In a form of World War.
So... you looking very narrowly. At historical analogies. Here.
\\Yes, diplomacy requires conversations with totalitarians, but only ONE of our presidents PRAISES tyrants.
Ukraine's resistance to a totalitarian invader is doomed if Trump wins.
That's just your (misinformed) opinion.
\\I'm not minimizing the threat of nuclear weapons. I'm warning against the US becoming a totalitarian country with Nukes.
Is becoming nuclear wasteland better thing to you?
Sorry, my post previous too.
Foreigner,
"Do you want foreigner to interfere in your politics??? State some unsolicited opinions??? Take sides???"
Opinions, yes. Interfere, no.
Trump is a threat to our democratic/republican form of government. Yes he was voted into office, but by a MINORITY. He had fewer votes in both 2016 and 2020. This is our democracy's greatest flaw.
Trump proceeded to select court justices on the basis of their opposition to women's reproductive freedom and loyalty to the economic elites. They are corrupted by lavish bribes from rich people.
Trump dismantled anti-pollution regulations that protected our air and water on their behalf. He cut their taxes and grew our deficits and debt for the rest of us to pay for.
Trump also tried to force his Justice Department to prosecute political opponents, for NO crimes. He tried to get them to ILLEGALLY interfere with the election, then HE sent a violent mob to overturn it. This is what tyrants do. IF he gets power again, he WILL do far worse.
Hitler also incited a Putsch, and served just 9 months of a 5 year jail sentence. Then he was free to continue his takeover. Trump the criminal will do the same if our justice system similarly fails to hold him accountable. He promises revenge and retribution against opponents and to place only loyalists in the government.
I've read many books on WWII. Stalin invaded Finland and Poland. Hitler made a "non-aggression" pact with Stalin, then invaded the USSR. Maybe you think it was wrong of the US to aid the USSR against Hitler. Remember Hitler declared war on the US after Japan attacked.
Are you agreeing with Hitler that all German Jews were "communist vermin"?
What are you suggesting I think a "nuclear wasteland" is better than? Are you suggesting I want a nuclear war because I oppose Trump? I don't understand your question.
Do you support Trump dismantling NATO and leaving Ukraine to Putin? Or do you think Ukraine can defeat Russia without help?
If so, then why do you believe that?
I'm not clear on what your opinion is.
Hapy Thanksgiving Dave.
Perhaps next year will bring a lot more to be thankful for.
1) tRump loses his voice. PERMANENTLY.
2) Netanyahu is ousted and never heard from again.
3) The oppressed Palestinians finally have a recognized state and the Zionist state returns to its pre 1966 borders.
The oporessed people of Tibet who had their nation stolen from them gain their freedom from totalitarian china and again live free as they should.
4) The MAGA's realize they were duped all along.
I can wish i guess.
Les,
I join you in yearning for humanity to evolve towards conscience and consciousness...but cannot forget too many of us remain primates in perpetual fearful reaction to whatever is unusual or whoever is different. They will be trapped in a religion over science and tribalism over unity mentality to the detriment of natural evolution of intelligence and civil society.
This won't stop me from appreciating every day of life as a blessing and gift to be cherished and preserved to the best of my ability.
Happy Thanksgiving.
\\Foreigner,
"Do you want foreigner to interfere in your politics??? State some unsolicited opinions??? Take sides???"
\\Opinions, yes. Interfere, no.
Don't say bullshit.
All narrative of "Trump colluding with Russia" was based on Russian trolls "just sharing their opinion" in social networks.
And you called that "interference".
\\Trump is a threat to our democratic/republican form of government. Yes he was voted into office, but by a MINORITY. He had fewer votes in both 2016 and 2020. This is our democracy's greatest flaw.
That's your sovereign problem.
You think other countries do not have such problems of their own?
You are so self-centered.
\\Trump dismantled anti-pollution regulations that protected our air and water on their behalf. He cut their taxes and grew our deficits and debt for the rest of us to pay for.
And Putin now arranged 3-year plan. With almost half of RFia budget being directed at war spending. And riling up his population to be ready to go to die for "dear leader"... as TRUE Hitler and Hirohito did. Starting from their kindergardens!
And you AGAIN not even trying to start preparing.
And Europe AGAIN need to bleed out... to give you some time to come to your senses, and to come to understanding -- that that is The Third World War. Not knocking to your door. It already in your living room.
War... YOU ALLOWED to happen. Because of your sissy-pussy responses to tyranny.
\\Trump also tried to force his Justice Department to prosecute political opponents, for NO crimes. He tried to get them to ILLEGALLY interfere with the election, then HE sent a violent mob to overturn it. This is what tyrants do. IF he gets power again, he WILL do far worse.
When ICBMs start flying... nobody will even remember about such things. And they will. If you, USA, will not come to your senses. And SOON.
\\Hitler also incited a Putsch, and served just 9 months of a 5 year jail sentence. Then he was free to continue his takeover. Trump the criminal will do the same if our justice system similarly fails to hold him accountable. He promises revenge and retribution against opponents and to place only loyalists in the government.
You have poor understanding of History. Usual for USAians, as I know. Such things happen NOT because of some bad-bad-wrong individuals.
But because of Chain of Historical Events. That involve MILLIONS.
That is NOT Hitler that accepted Germany's defeat in WW1. That is NOT Hitler that have written punitive Versales Treaty. That is NOT hitler that declared Communism, and need for World Revolution to achieve it.
Hitler... was just riding a wave. If... as your collective unconscious thinks -- Hitler would be killed ... that would not change anything -- somebody other would take his place.
\\I've read many books on WWII. Stalin invaded Finland and Poland. Hitler made a "non-aggression" pact with Stalin, then invaded the USSR. Maybe you think it was wrong of the US to aid the USSR against Hitler. Remember Hitler declared war on the US after Japan attacked.
It's good that you know some trivia. But very bad that you UNABLE to make conclusion out of it.
Was it good -- to help tyrant Stalin to win??? Or you think that Cold War and Maccartism was something good??? Helping Stalin -- was forced decision. Because you wasted a lot of time.
\\Are you agreeing with Hitler that all German Jews were "communist vermin"?
I know that whole idea of Anti-Semitism -- was war-time propaganda of Soviet Union predecessor -- Russian Empire military propagandists. And it sprouted deep roots into body of Europe, which immunitet was lowered because of war. SAME... as now YOUR USA body infested by all kinds of Russian Propaganda Poisonous memes. I watching it. And I'm appaled. How easily USAians catch and start spreading Russian Propaganda narratives...
\\What are you suggesting I think a "nuclear wasteland" is better than? Are you suggesting I want a nuclear war because I oppose Trump? I don't understand your question.
Trump WAS president. Is something bad happened??? Something like "nuclear wasteland" BAD????
Can you calm down, step aside and try to allow such a thought in your head -- that you probably, maybe, could be... overreacting?
And that -- because your TRUE ENEMIES tryed to make USAians to fight with each other...
And they already half way to success. To eradicate you even without military actions started.
Foreigner,
"Don't say bullshit", indeed.
First you said:
"All narrative of "Trump colluding with Russia" was based on Russian trolls "just sharing their opinion" in social networks. And you called that "interference"..."
And then you said:
"as now YOUR USA body infested by all kinds of Russian Propaganda Poisonous memes. I watching it. And I'm appaled. How easily USAians catch and start spreading Russian Propaganda narratives..."
And you also said, "our TRUE ENEMIES tryed to make USAians to fight with each other...And they already half way to success. To eradicate you even without military actions started."
How is that NOT interference??
Yet you mock my framing this as interference as bullshit, then admitted it WAS effective propaganda interference. You are contradicting yourself.
I can't take the time to educate you on the extent of meetings and cooperation between Trump's campaign and Russians. Trump pardoned disgraced general Mike Flynn for LYING about his extensive contacts with RUSSIANS. He's a friend of PUTIN. The FBI/Mueller investigation confirmed Trump WELCOMED Russian help AND Russia interfered.
He openly invited them with, "Russia, if you're listening..."
Nor can I take the time to explain to you that our democracy and elections are in crisis after Trump's election lies and violent Putsch on our Capitol in addition to other criminal acts of election interference.
YES, that IS SOMETHING BAD that happened. We NEVER in our history had anyone obstruct the peaceful transfer of power.
Now this CRIMINAL is calling everyone who opposes him VERMIN. That is NAZI rhetoric. In addition he has millions of fanatics willing to engage in civil war to restore him to power.
They proved this by STORMING OUR CAPITOL TO OVERTURN OUR ELECTION.
We have an authoritarian CRIMINAL trying to seize power. And you say I'm "overreacting".
And you demean and dismiss my knowledge of history as "trivia". As I note how Trump follows the fascist path to power you think I'm not able to "form a conclusion".
Holocaust survivors have also noted how Trump emulates Hitler. Maybe you think those Jews are "overreacting" too?
What I'm doing is showing the lessons of history are ignored as we are REPEATING a similar fall into fascism.
If you can show me with FACTS and REASON where I am in error, please do, but if you want to insult me, goodbye.
ARE YOU ABLE to recall OWN words???!!!
\\\\Opinions, yes. Interfere, no.
\\Don't say bullshit.
BEFORE uttering your: "How is that NOT interference??"
\\Yet you mock my framing this as interference as bullshit, then admitted it WAS effective propaganda interference. You are contradicting yourself.
Well... you can do what *I* *DID* ABOVE -- show me MY words where *I* said ssomething like YOU claim I said.
Or... just admit that that was LAME strawmaning attempt.
And why would you do it???
\\YES, that IS SOMETHING BAD that happened. We NEVER in our history had anyone obstruct the peaceful transfer of power.
Whatever.
I already explained this point.
That you are just too self-centered.
Many nation have come through such turmoils.
Why you need to be an exception.
Especially as you are not... you showed to the world many unparalleled kneefalling events.
And now you trying to scream "we cannot be like that???!!!!".
\\Now this CRIMINAL is calling everyone who opposes him VERMIN. That is NAZI rhetoric. In addition he has millions of fanatics willing to engage in civil war to restore him to power.
Again.
There is TRUE Nazis in the World... that do Nazi Killing.
While you trying to fight with "nazi rethoric"...
How wise is that?
\\We have an authoritarian CRIMINAL trying to seize power. And you say I'm "overreacting".
Yes.
That's how it looking like... from afar.
\\And you demean and dismiss my knowledge of history as "trivia". As I note how Trump follows the fascist path to power you think I'm not able to "form a conclusion".
And you can?
Then... go, do it, you are completely free to demonstrate it.
That you can come to conclusions. On the base of historical facts.
\\Holocaust survivors have also noted how Trump emulates Hitler. Maybe you think those Jews are "overreacting" too?
That same Jews that support killing of Israelites... by HAMAS Palestinians???
Well... that is known fact of history, that EVEN some of Jews was tried to blend with new Nazi order... to enter SS troops even.
Because they thought that they are Germans enough... after living for generations among em.
They are no more with us... to state their opinion.
\\What I'm doing is showing the lessons of history are ignored as we are REPEATING a similar fall into fascism.
Fascism???
That political platform of Mussolini?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome.
And what so bad fascism did to you? To all World?
That is clash of TWO socialistic countries -- USSR and Reich that made it all blow up.
Fascists by itself... was luke-bad, from whatever point you'd not look. Not much worse that any other country/political system did in all of the History.
Bloody wars??? Suppression of Free Speach??? Government Propaganda??? Democracies do it too.
\\If you can show me with FACTS and REASON where I am in error, please do, but if you want to insult me, goodbye.
YOU... just trying hard, to find a reason to be insulted.
Just to not answer honestly to facts and logic.
Whatever.
"That same Jews that support killing of Israelites... by HAMAS Palestinians???"
WHY do you say this? It looks like you're blaming one of Hitler's victims now. Perhaps you hate Jews, too? No wonder you get so defensive.
I think you've made your case. You've failed in providing facts and made it personal again.
You agree with the American radical Right that Nazis were "socialists", instead of a fascist dictatorship.
Soviets were communists. Sweden is socialist. Nazis are fascists:
The Nazis were the world's largest fascist movement
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/fascists/nazis/AA4B03AB7B7908F71CC59BF4DF6E9577
Fascism is a far-right political philosophy, or theory of government, that emerged in the early twentieth century. Fascism prioritizes the nation over the individual, who exists to serve the nation. While fascist movements could be found in almost every country following World War I, fascism was most successful in Italy and Germany.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/fascism-1
More:
"Fascism is an ultranationalist, authoritarian political philosophy. It combines elements of nationalism, militarism, economic self-sufficiency, and totalitarianism. It opposes communism, socialism, pluralism, individual rights and equality, and democratic government.
Fascism places the importance of the nation above all else. The unity of the national community is prioritized above the rights of individuals. This leads to an intense interest in defining which groups belong or do not belong to the national body."
And since you think you are more enlightened on history than not just myself, but Cambridge and the American Holocaust Memorial Museum, I'll show you Hitler's own words:
After the allied invasion of Italy, Mussolini was deposed and jailed. Hitler needed to send in his SS “fire brigade” to Italy. There were no socialists or Marxists among them. They were loyal Nazis sworn by oath to the Fuhrer.
From Hitler Directs His War” by Felix Gilbert (1950, New York) pp.55ff.
“I have to take politically reliable units. I can only accomplish something with elite formations that are politically close to fascism.”
I don't expect you to accept history "trivia" from a person such as myself, since YOU seem to regard yourself as the expert.
I think you've said enough with "Fascism is "luke-bad" and "And what so bad fascism did to you?"
I was too young to be involved in WWII. But one cousins was KILLED and another IMPRISONED by Nazis.
The question is why do you minimize my understanding of history, and make excuses for the Holocaust, Hitler and Nazis?
Maybe you agree with them more than you care to admit.
\\WHY do you say this? It looks like you're blaming one of Hitler's victims now. Perhaps you hate Jews, too? No wonder you get so defensive.
Defensive???
And you not projecting here?
I was talking about Third World War... where USAians quite possible can happen to play role of Jews... if they'll continue being such blindfolded.
About FUTURE.
And you derailed it into discussing PAST. And my person.
\\I think you've made your case. You've failed in providing facts and made it personal again.
Projection again.
\\You agree with the American radical Right that Nazis were "socialists", instead of a fascist dictatorship.
And they was not?
They was called national-SOCIALISTS for god's sake.
Background & Overview of the Nazi Party (NSDAP)
Jewish Virtual Library
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org › ...
Members of the party referred to themselves as Nationalsozialisten (National Socialists), rarely as Nazis. The word “Nazi” was in use before the rise of the ...
\\Soviets were communists. Sweden is socialist. Nazis are fascists:
Whatever.
By their deeds you will know em.
Or you ready to start defending mass-men-slaughter Stalin and claim that soviet commies was ANY BETTER than nazis???
\\The Nazis were the world's largest fascist movement
Nazists was fascists too(well, probably)... but not every fascists(wannabe calling themself that way) are nazis.
Same as... Rabid dogs are dogs... but not every dog have rabies.
""
Fascism is a far-right political philosophy, or theory of government, that emerged in the early twentieth century. Fascism prioritizes the nation over the individual, who exists to serve the nation. While fascist movements could be found in almost every country following World War I, fascism was most successful in Italy and Germany.
""
Clearly written by leftist... maybe commie even.
""
"Fascism is an ultranationalist, authoritarian political philosophy. It combines elements of nationalism, militarism, economic self-sufficiency, and totalitarianism. It opposes communism, socialism, pluralism, individual rights and equality, and democratic government.
""
Yes.
That's obviously are commie's screed.
That conveniently forgetting that ANY commies like to see other commies in graves.
\\I'll show you Hitler's own words:
\\After the allied invasion of Italy, Mussolini was deposed and jailed. Hitler needed to send...
You think it is VIABLE way to show somebody's said words???
\\I think you've said enough with "Fascism is "luke-bad" and "And what so bad fascism did to you?"
Yes.
What EXACTLY other "fascist" did so bad??? Apart from Nazis... national-SOCIALISTS who was calling THEMSELF "Nationalsozialisten"... not fascists.
https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Nazis-ever-refer-to-themselves-as-fascists
Probably not. They were National Socialists, though the link with Italy was part of it. They also did not use the term Nazi, which was an insult.
The full name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (English: National-Socialist German Workers' Party) for which they officially used the acronym NSDAP.
The term "Nazi" was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant, characterizing an awkward and clumsy person. This was derived from Nazi a hypocorism of the German men's name Ignatz (itself a variation of the men's name Ignatius) – Ignatz being a common name at the time in Bavaria, the area from which the NSDAP emerged. (Nazism - Wikipedia)
So...
ENEMIES of Nazis started called em "nazis"... and tried to make it more broad -- over-shading all "fascists".
What a big surprise. NOT.
Especially... that Lefties tried to SEVER link of word "nazi" with national-SOCIALISM it was. And substituted nationalSOCIALISTS with "fascists" -- as did Commies in Soviet Union.
That's all just an accident? "Nothing to look at here"??? MOVE ON! I SAID, MOVE ON!!!
Do not dare to point your dirty finger at our Holy Hypocrisy!!! #$@&%!!!!!!
Hypocrisy?
You're contradicting yourself again. Or showing your selective double standards.
Nazism is the common name in English for nationalsozialistische, National Socialism. No democratic socialist country adheres to this evil form of fascism. Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is the rest of the name. German workers were sent to murder and be slaughtered, so the party wasn't exactly THEIRS, was it? Hitler allied himself with banks and industry OVER WORKERS and UNIONS!
You believe the LIE about the NAZIS, but ignore the truth Hitler said about his SS. He didn't say they understood democratic socialism, but FASCSIM. Deal with it.
Your understanding of history isn't is vast as you THINK it is.
Nazis weren't the party of democratic socialism. They didn't rise to power by advocating public health, workers rights, public education, care for the mentally ill, or any other social program.
They rose on militarism, scapegoating, hate, bigotry and lies. That aint "socialism" by any definition.
No wonder you NEED TO DENY definitions.
You're telling me to believe they were not fascists because of a word "socialist" in their party name.
You deny Hitler admitting his SS were indoctrinated into fascism.
So I have every reason to believe you think Communist North Korea is a "Democratic People's Republic" because those words are in the name of the country.
Are you THAT gullible? You have as much as admitted it.
You believe what you WANT to believe.
Your denial of Nazi fascism and rejection of both Cambridge and the Holocaust Memorial Museum definitions, as well as most definitions of fascism strongly suggests YOU are pro-Nazi and an antisemite.
Stalin was a murderous tyrant, but he killed Hitler's soldiers that would have killed ours, saving countless American lives. Once the war was over, he was no longer an ally.
You're not much different from American fascists who will accuse anyone who disagrees with them as being a communist. JUST LIKE TRUMP, the CRIMINAL LIAR and TRAITOR.
""Fascism is an ultranationalist, authoritarian political philosophy. It combines elements of nationalism, militarism, economic self-sufficiency, and totalitarianism. It opposes communism, socialism, pluralism, individual rights and equality, and democratic government.
""
Yes. That's obviously are commie's screed.
There you go with YOUR bullshit.
I can't believe you're trying to tell me THIS is "commie screed": "It opposes communism, socialism, pluralism, individual rights and equality, and democratic government."
"Clearly written by leftist... maybe commie even."
You're not even hiding your pro-Nazi/pro-fascist beliefs now.
When everyone who disagrees with you is a "commie" YOU might just be a fascist.
As Foreigner, aka Anonymous outs themself as the pro authoritarian facist, and possible Naz,i their comments indeed comfirm they very likely are.
Les,
As soon as they say Nazis were "socialists" they've announced who they really are.
You can show them a direct quote from Hitler about his SS being "politically close to fascism" and they will deny it. But they WANT to believe they were "socialists", so they can pretend to hate them. When he dismissed my knowledge as "trivia" I could practically smell his disrespect and contempt. Foreign/Anonymous' red-baiting and callous attitude towards the Holocaust survivor pretty much confirmed it.
Since my father-in-law told me about liberating Buchenwald with Patton's 3rd Army, I can reasonably say I have read far more books on WWII history than at least 99% of Americans.
He picked the wrong person to lecture on Nazis.
Anonymous compares how the "left" and Hamas "treat Jews" to Germans in WWII.
He doesn't know MOST American Jews are DEMOCRATS, aka "vermin" to Trump. And the "Left" is NOT Hamas.
He's free to choose a name and offer any proof that I am mistaken:
“Dave, I have to say you are stating falsehoods, or reached unreasoned conclusions, by claiming (_____) and (_______). These facts and evidence (_____) and (____) suggest you are quite mistaken.
\\No democratic socialist country adheres to this evil form of fascism.
Not true scotsman.(tm)
\\German workers were sent to murder and be slaughtered, so the party wasn't exactly THEIRS, was it? Hitler allied himself with banks and industry OVER WORKERS and UNIONS!
Yes. His enemies said that. Like Soviet Union and Stalin.
Though at first they was VERY glad to be an ally, and share the world... well, still, they shared the World with certain OTHER ally. ;-)
But still... it's interesting -- how you, living in USA, in 3rd millenium... still repeating words of totalitarian mass-men-slaughter Stalin...
\\You believe the LIE about the NAZIS, but ignore the truth Hitler said about his SS. He didn't say they understood democratic socialism, but FASCSIM. Deal with it.
Can you be so kind to elaborate what point you think you cleared here?
For example. I think I MADE a good point.
While using YOUR logical schema "he talking like Hitler -- he support Hitler/is Hitler".
When pointed that that YOUR words... you evenmade em in bold... and I'll re-insert em here -- Hitler allied himself with banks and industry OVER WORKERS and UNIONS! -- is directly from mouth of mass-men-slaughter tyrant Stalin.
AFTER that as his unsteady alliance with Hitler was broken -- and he directed propaganda of Soviet Union instead of teaching people LOVE nazis... to start HATE em.
While trying to SEVER all previous and all possible links with em.
\\Your understanding of history isn't is vast as you THINK it is.
I never said that my understanding of history is vast...
only suggested that you, as USAian... naturally lacking understanding of some important details of history of... Europe.
Is it bad to be that way? Not exactly.
It's pretty much natural thing. I for example... most surely VASTLY lacking in my understanding of some intrinsic details of history of America(s)...
\\They rose on militarism, scapegoating, hate, bigotry and lies. That aint "socialism" by any definition.
Not true scotsman.(tm)
\\No wonder you NEED TO DENY definitions.
Who's definition?
\\You're telling me to believe they were not fascists because of a word "socialist" in their party name.
I just referred to known history.
"Fascists" that is self-name of Mussolini party and followers.
Was Hitler and his followers of him and his party? I do not know such historical facts... but, my knowledge not vast, so maybe you'd be so kind to give em to me?
\\You're telling me to believe they were not fascists because of a word "socialist" in their party name.
Even more then that... Hitler HIMSELF introduced that name-calling. As historical records say.
From Jewish sources to boot.
\\You deny Hitler admitting his SS were indoctrinated into fascism.
I do not know much about Hitler, SS and other such shit... yawn.
But you, seems like VERY knowledgible. And you'll be so kind and will enlighten me about it, isn't it?
\\So I have every reason to believe you think Communist North Korea is a "Democratic People's Republic" because those words are in the name of the country.
Not only name.
They have
Supreme People's Assembly
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki.
The Supreme People's Assembly is the highest organ of state power of North Korea. It is the only branch of government in North Korea, and per the principle ...
Mansudae Assembly Hall · Korean Social Democratic Party · Chongryon
...it seems.
\\You believe what you WANT to believe.
And you not?
\\Your denial of Nazi fascism and rejection of both Cambridge and the Holocaust Memorial Museum definitions, as well as most definitions of fascism strongly suggests YOU are pro-Nazi and an antisemite.
That is what you believe? Or that is what you not believe?
I started my talk here with talking about FUTURE.
YOU derailed it into discussing PAST. And severe name-calling and strawmaning.
\\I can't believe you're trying to tell me THIS is "commie screed": "It opposes communism, socialism, pluralism, individual rights and equality, and democratic government."
Yes.
That what Soviet Union Propaganda was teaching 250 millions of inhabitants of USSR for half a century to believe being the case -- that BIGGEST, and maybe even ONLY fault of Hitler -- that he fought against Communists... and all other good things like "internationalism", "equality and unity of all proletarii" and "people's democracy".
And that same ideas they tried to spread on the West... and around the World.
And it's sad to me to see... how that nasty seed sprouted it's roots... in USA.
Foreigner,
Demeaning my statement on democratic socialist countries as "not true Scotsman" fails to refute my point by showing ANY democratic socialist country is fascist. Is Norway fascist? No. Is Sweden fascist? No. I can go on, but you refuse to even see my point.
My historical information is accurate, so it's unfortunate that you need to try to put MY words into STALIN'S mouth. This is what fascists do. Everyone who disagrees with them is a commie. You're doing a good job showing us YOUR fascist inclinations.
You don't even understand the basic FACT that Hitler was a murderous dictator who was anti-union and anti-democracy. He was pro-SLAVERY! This is what he had in common with Stalin.
How is THAT in any way "democratic socialism"?? It ISN'T. Nazis called it "National Socialism" ONLY because socialism appealed to the common man. It was in fact radical Right fascism.
Hitler knew he needed support from industry and banks, and got it. The Krupps were capitalists by all measures. Communists would have taken them over. Hitler's war machine was good for their business. Disagree or deny this reality all you want.
The fact you need to accuse Cambridge, and particularly Jews, as "commies" for defining fascism tells us something about you.
The case you seem to be making is, "If Stalin hated Hitler, then Hitler wasn't so bad". You are minimizing Hitler's lies and brutality. HE INVADED the USSR. Western democracies NEEDED Stalin, just as Stalin needed the allies to help defeat him
Maybe National Socialism IS your kind of socialism. It is far removed from democratic socialism. You side with Trump and his neo-Nazi radical Right in falsely framing both as the same.
I happen to know a lot about American fascists. You keep showing us that you share their delusional far-right ideology. You think ALL government social programs are "communism".
THAT is dangerous fascist bullshit. The US is on the brink of civil war over this nonsense.
Americans overwhelmingly support fair elections and representation, SOCIAL Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits. They support CONSTITUTIONAL taxes for the rich, regulation of commerce, and PROVISION FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE.
This is democratic socialism. The Founders would be called "communists" by the radical Right today. You would think Stalin himself wrote our Constitution.
Democratic socialist countries are happier, better educated and HEALTHIER than the US and it's corporate controlled health care.
The US ranks at number 15 in happiness.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
"Happiness rankings are determined by analyzing comprehensive Gallup polling data from 149 countries in six particular categories: gross domestic product per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom to make your own life choices, generosity of the general population, and perceptions of internal and external corruption levels."
Well... I am not of that age myself to be dissident in USSR.
But still, I know enough about how they was ostracizzed and blamed... with exactly same phrasing like this your: "When everyone who disagrees with you is a "commie" YOU might just be a fascist.
"
Foreigner,
Please feel free to talk about the future. Share your wisdom on what needs to be done to make the world a better place.
Just understand this. "Crusader Frank", the most radical-Right Trumpist here AGREES with you.
And understand this. When you demean my facts without showing evidence to support your point, I WILL call you out. The same goes for antisemitic slurs and lies. This is what we ALWAYS get from the fascist Trump Cult. They pretend to care for Jews, while MOST American Jews are against Trump. We are all "communist vermin" to those neo-Nazis. Trump AND Hitler BOTH made that clear.
\\ Blogger Dave Dubya said...
\\ Les,
\\ As soon as they say Nazis were "socialists" they've announced who they really are.
People who know unCensored History?
\\You can show them a direct quote from Hitler about his SS being "politically close to fascism" and they will deny it.
Stalin was happy to call Hitler an ally... does it mean that Communists of USSR are fascists too? By this logic. Would you be so kind to reveal to me -- how it works, in your head?
\\But they WANT to believe they were "socialists"
But they... was calling themself THAT way...
And they BEHAVED that way. All their inner economical and social policies are distinctively socialistic... or was it, in accordance with contemporary meaning.
Dunno, why I need to "WANT to believe" in something -- that IS historical fact. %-)))
\\Foreign/Anonymous' red-baiting and callous attitude towards the Holocaust survivor pretty much confirmed it.
I'm glad that there STILL are some people... who was able to have such a long life.
But... what does it mean for our discussion here -- please, could you be so kind to explain?
\\Since my father-in-law told me about liberating Buchenwald with Patton's 3rd Army, I can reasonably say I have read far more books on WWII history than at least 99% of Americans.
And only Americans have written books about WW2?
Or only Americans point of view on history... of other part of the World... is only viable and only true perspective?
Foreigner,
"And only Americans have written books about WW2?"
I refer to man with DIRECT EXPERINCE with WWII and Buchenwald.
What source do YOU have?
I gave you a factual quote by Hitler. You deflected with:
"Stalin was happy to call Hitler an ally... does it mean that Communists of USSR are fascists too? By this logic."
This is an illogical response.
Now, how about your wisdom that will guide us into the future? You've deflected from that quite quickly.
\\ Blogger Dave Dubya said...
\\ Foreigner,
\\ Demeaning my statement on democratic socialist countries as "not true Scotsman" fails to refute my point by showing ANY democratic socialist country is fascist. Is Norway fascist? No. Is Sweden fascist? No. I can go on, but you refuse to even see my point.
Dunno what you mean.
"Fascists" was name of certain political movement in Italy.
Historical.
As far as I know, nobody calling themself "fascists" in Italy anymore. Same as nobody calling themself "loyalists" in USA. Because it is outdated and pruned. Why any other country people should call themself that Italian name... I totally don't know -- why so?
\\My historical information is accurate, so it's unfortunate that you need to try to put MY words into STALIN'S mouth.
For example.
https://stankevichyus-medium-com.translate.goog/%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA-%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B0-9c27bd0e673e?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_hist=true
\\You don't even understand the basic FACT that Hitler was a murderous dictator...
And what made you think that way???
\\How is THAT in any way "democratic socialism"??
Well...
""
Socialism is a political or economic theory that advocates collective ownership and management of property and natural resources1. The socialist political movement originated in the revolutionary movements of the mid-to-late 18th century and was concerned with the social problems of capitalism2. The term was first used to describe the ideas of utopian socialists who emphasized noncoercive and noncompetitive communities3. Socialism later evolved as a political doctrine in opposition to the abuses of unregulated capitalism in Western Europe4.
""
You know... they have had it rough... in that times.
Children working instead of going to school. Workers having no health insurance and working 10-12 or more hours a day... in dangerous and even deadly conditions. And etc.
And there was NO representatives in parliaments of *democratic* countries... who'd dare to rise their voice in favor of that workers and their children.
And those who'd dare... was treated as terrorists today.
THAT is how it was... in that times.
\\The fact you need to accuse Cambridge, and particularly Jews, as "commies" for defining fascism tells us something about you.
Dunno... where you took that "accuse" out.
I just shared my experience -- that that phrases looking to me as directly from Soviet Union propaganda cathechism.
\\The case you seem to be making is, "If Stalin hated Hitler, then Hitler wasn't so bad". You are minimizing Hitler's lies and brutality.
By claiming that it was not better then Stalin's Gulag?
\\Maybe National Socialism IS your kind of socialism. It is far removed from democratic socialism. You side with Trump and his neo-Nazi radical Right in falsely framing both as the same.
Dunno how you came to such conclusions...
and to my regret I am sure -- that you will not disclose any details of how it works in your head. :-(((
Well... to sum it up. From what I started my screed here.
I claimed. And ready to repeat it 1000 times. With all needed details.
That we. We all. Here on the Earth.
Have now TWO Nazi-like regimes. Russia and China.
That waging... and pretty much started Third World War.
And that is MUCH MORE important topic.
Than discussing Trump vs Biden political campaign brawls.
Or even historical definitions -- who are Nazi, and who are Commie...
\\I refer to man with DIRECT EXPERINCE with WWII and Buchenwald.
\\What source do YOU have?
Millions of people who have DIRECT EXPERIENCE with WW2.
You know -- whole Europe was BATTLEFIELD.
And your Americans... with all due respect to their bravery and sacrifices... was like a tourists here.
\\I gave you a factual quote by Hitler. You deflected with:
\\"Stalin was happy to call Hitler an ally... does it mean that Communists of USSR are fascists too? By this logic."
\\This is an illogical response.
Dunno how. In what logic?
You gave an excerpt where Hitler said that he seeing those who are: "...politically close to fascism.”" as his allies.
And Stalin not only said it... he have had the (not that) secret DEAL with Nazis.
Dave, you're barking up the wrong tree with so many of these folks.
Today I was branded as a liar because someone supposedly way smarter and better read than I had never seen or experienced the behavior I alleged.
Now that I, like you typically do, responded with easily searchable examples, I'm sure I'll soon be reading a response that says, Yeah Dave, that's only 2 or 3 examples.
There is a group of ppl in America so sure of their "false facts" as one blogger called them, that they've become willfully immune to the truth.
One person to whom I was speaking recently, looked shocked as I spoke about the injuries that Capitol Police suffered during the Jan 6 beatings. He asked me for proof. I told him if he was that interested, he should look it up himself.
Which he did.
He then sent me a note saying he had never seen the info online that he was looking at. It was the GOP led Senate report. How was that possible? Willful ignorance. He called it terrible, brutal and gruesome.
When I sent more info back, I got this response...
I'm sure you know how hard is is/will be to admit that the views someone has held, are wrong.
This is where we are with Foreigner, Frank, Crusader and the devoted of the devoted to a thrice married, serial cheater, convicted fraudster, conman grifter running for president on their dollars.
Dave,
I can see how going in circles with Foreigner can be partly due to the differences between English and whatever native language he speaks. I have to consider he has some difficulty understanding my words as I do with his at times.
However, with Frank and the other cult MAGAts, there is no way they will engage in civil dialogue. Their MAGA indoctrination will not allow it, just it will deny and dismiss our facts out of hand. It would be DISLOYAL of them to even consider what we say. Trump is their prophet and messiah.
Foreigner,
You obviously reject my understanding of history and refuse to admit the existence of DEMOCRATIC Socialism, so there's no point in going in circles with you.
So what do you suggest for the world do about Russia, China, North Korea, Pakistan and other autocratic nuclear powers?
\\Now that I, like you typically do, responded with easily searchable examples, I'm sure I'll soon be reading a response that says, Yeah Dave, that's only 2 or 3 examples.
Yeah.
That is called Statistics.
Means. If your claim is like "man bites dog"... and you giving some examples.
It do not DEVALUATE idea that "bog bites man" is much more common. And important. (especially in respect to possibility having rabies)
\\This is where we are with Foreigner, Frank, Crusader and the devoted of the devoted to a thrice married, serial cheater, convicted fraudster, conman grifter running for president on their dollars.
Yup.
You Dave. Same as other Dave, master of this blog -- cannot admit Truth.
Like that that I am NOT from USA. And Trump CANNOT be MY president. As well as I CANNOT vote for him.
:-))))))))))))))))))
(shaking head while laughing to no end)
Do you get it? No??? How LAUGHABLE is your claim about somebody else's "inability to admit facts"... while you showing such an open and relentless inability... yourself. :-))))))))
\\ It would be DISLOYAL of them to even consider what we say. Trump is their prophet and messiah.
Well???
And to you, and other Democrats -- it not?
YOU -- able to admit bare and obvious FACTS of Reality?
As ones I started my screed with here -- that NOW budget spending on war preparations of Putin's Russia RISED to Total Mobilization to a Total War levels. Almost HAlF of ALL spendings.
While SAME TIME Xi's China, declared speedup piling up of their nuclear weapon stockpiles -- to rich M.A.D.(Mutually Assured Destruction) levels ASAP.
Another word.
That is THE SAME behavior Nazi Germany and Hirohito's Japan have head... just mere years before Massive War started (lower scale war(s) was happening before it... and it happening NOW too)
Just as I said.
Third World War NOT knocking to you door any more.
It sitting in your livingroom.
But you keep pretending that you do not see it.
\\So what do you suggest for the world do about Russia, China, North Korea, Pakistan and other autocratic nuclear powers?
Trying to postpone YOUR duty... on the World?
And WHO... have ANY power to cope with it???
Some still poor and powerless, on the wedge of death from hunger Africa?
Maybe poor and in eternal state of turmoil Latin America?
Maybe Europe... which you DELIBERATELY DISARMED from having ONLY possible weapon that could affect ENEMY'S desire to start assault -- while claiming that you will cover ALL of your allies under your Nuclear Umbrella?
And now playing chicken.
\\I think Ukraine should have kept their nukes in case of someone like Putin. I also think it would have been better if it joined NATO.
That is... totally moot points.
Same as discussing who can be (seen as) bigger Hitler then Hitler... itself.
\\Blaming me personally won't make it better.
Dunno how you came to such idea...
that I blame you. Maybe because of that toxic discussions with blaming each other you have there.
\\What do you think my addressing you as "Foreigner" means? I never suggested you are from the US. This is one of those circles of misunderstanding I was talking about.
Who knows.
You (well, other Dave) are far not first, who not believe me being foreigner.
And blaming me being republican and blaming supporting Trump OR... democrat, and supporting Biden. :-))))
\\Since you're blaming me for Ukrainian nuclear disarmament, even though I had nothing to do with it, you'll have to save Ukraine and the world without me.
See...
that's exactly what I meant.
\\If Trump takes power, he will try again to undermine NATO...
Yet... as far as I know -- he tried to STRENGTHEN it -- by making European allies to pay more on its support.
\\You didn't tell us what you think you or I can do about it.
Well... you seems like devoting lots of time and effort to spread anti-trumpism...
vould you add to it some serious messages -- about need to take into account how it all rolling downhill into next world war in the World too...
Foreigner... you'll forgive me, I hope, if I inadvertently lumped you into the troll crowd. It's just that when when one sees blog comments written in truncated English these days, it's usually the cut and paste crowd that copies some comments and pastes it all over a bunch of blogs, often under a variety of different names.
Your comments, IMHO, had some of that style.
Dave D mentioned that he sees you as someone whose first language is not English so perhaps you are using a translator or like I do in Spanish, just doing the best you can with a second language.
I'll accept that and consider you in a different class from the trolls.
Foreigner... to your comments.
As for my comment about 2 or 3 examples, yes, it's only a few. No argument there. But the person to whom I was speaking [writing] was using logic that essentially was this...
He'd not experienced or seen it, so what I was alleging, was a lie.
How big a sample should I have shown him? Mind you, he was saying that conservative Christian religious do not discriminate against non Christian religious groups. And his reasoning was that he had never seen it.
This was the same person who regularly says he doesn't watch news and doesn't care to.
I'm not closed to evidence at all. I regularly ask people to bring it on. Give me the links to credible sources. I read and follow partisan sources from both sides. And yes, I'll admit at times I can be pretty snarky.
But when the evidence is there, I accept it.
Finally, you made an assumption, about me being a Dem, that seems binary. Yes, I'm a registered Dem. But that has never controlled my vote. Since my first votes in the 1970's, in both national and local elections, I've voted as an independent.
Since then I've supported Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Nader, Kerry, Obama and Biden. You'll notice a gap there... I did not support either Trump or Hillary in 2016, believing both would be bad for America.
I've supported GOP candidates for governor in my state and have voted for senators from either party numerous times as I tried to decide who would be best for both my state and the nation.
BTW, I don't categorize the world into groups like many do. To me, people are people, all have a right, at least in my opinion, to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It's why I do what I do.
Foreigner,
Do you understand this was a post on US domestic politics and Trump? I'm not obligated to let others decide where to take the entire discussion.
I don't mind you sharing your ideas on how to fix wars and deal with nukes and international problems. But when you falsely accuse me of promoting Stalinism or his propaganda, my patience wears thin.
We have a criminal running for president who calls anyone who opposes him "Communists and vermin". I don't need you doing the same here. Every country has to deal with authoritarian personalities trying to gain and abuse power.
I also don't need to accept blame for what I haven't done.
You said, "Dunno how you came to such idea...that I blame you."
HERE:
"Trying to postpone YOUR duty... on the World?...Maybe Europe... which you DELIBERATELY DISARMED"
I'm not the US government. I'm not the UN. And I'm not NATO. I didn't disarm anybody. A man in Trump's Republican Party promised Russia there would be no NATO expansion.
NATO was expanded AFTER Trump. He would never have tolerated it. He admires Putin, remember.
From REMARKS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AT PRESS CONFERENCE NATO SUMMIT BRUSSELS
Brussels, Belgium, July 12, 2018
Trump: "And I hope that we’re going to be able to get along with Russia. I think that we probably will be able to."
Trump: August 2018
He says, “would you leave us if we don’t pay our bills?” They hated my answer. I said, “Yeah, I would consider it. Yes, I will leave you.”
Consequently support for NATO AND Ukraine has fallen in the US.
A German foreign police perspective:
"Trump’s Mixed NATO Legacy"
https://ip-quarterly.com/en/trumps-mixed-nato-legacy
The Trumpian wrecking ball has caused serious damage to NATO. But the US president’s antipathy to the transatlantic alliance has also set overdue reforms in motion. A new burden-sharing metric and a China policy are priorities.
\\ Blogger Dave Miller said...
\\ Foreigner... you'll forgive me, I hope, if I inadvertently lumped you into the troll crowd. It's just that when when one sees blog comments written in truncated English these days, it's usually the cut and paste crowd that copies some comments and pastes it all over a bunch of blogs, often under a variety of different names.
Dave... and author Dave.
That's EXACTLY what I trying to point out at -- that that is one of ways Russian Propaganda trying to influence you.
Well... it's beyond my knowledge and interest, but I have no arguments against -- that same approaches and messages used by your inner political circles too.
But...
There is the difference.
Outer sources of such disinformation and psychologically poisoned messages -- have goal to DESTROY you.
While inner source... they maybe want to make some difference, but still want USA to keep thriving.
\\He'd not experienced or seen it, so what I was alleging, was a lie.
And you'd not... on his place?
\\How big a sample should I have shown him? Mind you, he was saying that conservative Christian religious do not discriminate against non Christian religious groups. And his reasoning was that he had never seen it.
We-e-e-ell... it depends of what you want to achieve... I presume.
I was talking with religious people enough, to know that they are definitely of that type one cannot persuade with logic. :-)
And I never was compelled to try to persuade em any other way. What for?
\\Finally, you made an assumption, about me being a Dem, that seems binary. Yes, I'm a registered Dem. But that has never controlled my vote. Since my first votes in the 1970's, in both national and local elections, I've voted as an independent.
I appreciate this your sharing piece of mind. Though I dunno what I can propose in response to it.
Well... if you have some questions about Eastern-North quadrant of our Globe you interesting in... I'll try to provide facts I know or opinion I have about it.
\\Foreigner,
\\Do you understand this was a post on US domestic politics and Trump? I'm not obligated to let others decide where to take the entire discussion.
I beg myself a pardon here.
But I think I gave enough rationale -- why what happening in the World can be, and really DO influence your USA domestic politics. Like, all that "Russian influenced USA elections" -- that is outright symptom of Russia (and maybe China) started their war against you. Against USA. Dunno how do you think to cope with it... without understanding it. Or what, trying to ignore that fact?
While simultaneously showed being non-partisan about it.
\\I don't mind you sharing your ideas on how to fix wars and deal with nukes and international problems. But when you falsely accuse me of promoting Stalinism or his propaganda, my patience wears thin.
I just showed where that ideas came from.
To continue believe it, or think it over and throw it aside -- it's up to you.
\\We have a criminal running for president who calls anyone who opposes him "Communists and vermin". I don't need you doing the same here.
Still... Real historical Commies. Of USSR. And China.
Was monsters. Around which even evil deeds of Nazis pale in comparation. But... that information was thwarted and censured out... by this or that reasons (like, that commies(barely camouflaged) still are in UN security board).
\\HERE:
\\"Trying to postpone YOUR duty... on the World?...Maybe Europe... which you DELIBERATELY DISARMED"
\\I'm not the US government.
Yes. I see.
Sorry.
And would appreciate if you'd point to me some better way to phrase it in English. :-(
\\I'm not the US government.
Yes. I see.
Sorry.
And would appreciate if you'd point to me some better way to phrase it in English. :-(
Yes, we don't need to blame individuals who have no power over the circumstances.
Feel free to criticize the US government, British government, Russian government, NATO, or any government. The same for politicians and leaders. The more truth about them the better. Most of them have a past filled with lies, destruction, or other wrong-doing.
Their collective failures have resulted in the NATO/Putin/Ukraine crisis as well as the mess in the Middle East. Borders and agreements have been drawn by powers without the consent of the people most affected by them.
It took years of mistakes and misdeeds to get us here. And yes, all of humanity is vulnerable to the most dire and deadly consequence of past and present actions.
The most sane thing the world can do would be universal nuclear disarmament. But the leaders often don't care and governments are too incompetent.
We can't force peace throughout the world. We can't eliminate the darkness and evil within leaders. Sometimes the best an individual can do is to seek peace within himself and participate best he can through whatever his vote can help accomplish.
And this takes me back to Trump. He lost and proceeded to incite a coup to overturn the election. This would have CANCELED my vote and the votes of 81 million Americans.
He promises vengeance and retribution if reelected. He makes it clear he intends to make every effort to punish anyone who opposes him and who holds him accountable to the rule of law. Putin and Trump are both such authoritarians. They take what is not theirs, no matter the consequences.
Do you see why this is so important to so many of us?
Truth seems to be so much more subjective since the MAGA cons hit the scene with their fascist cult leader/insurrectionist..
\\Feel free to criticize the US government, British government, Russian government, NATO, or any government. The same for politicians and leaders. The more truth about them the better. Most of them have a past filled with lies, destruction, or other wrong-doing.
Doing that, while being outsider... I do not see it quite moral thing to do. Especially if in correlation with Golden Rule "do not do something you do not like to be done to you". And I would not like too much such attention to my country government... for example.
\\Their collective failures have resulted in the NATO/Putin/Ukraine crisis as well as the mess in the Middle East. Borders and agreements have been drawn by powers without the consent of the people most affected by them.
And that was not result of them being democratic governments? And people of their countries not wanting to think, to decide anything like that?
\\The most sane thing the world can do would be universal nuclear disarmament. But the leaders often don't care and governments are too incompetent.
Technology is such... that even without nuclear weapon there is lots... and will be only more and more of big scale industries... that can be used as mass-destruction weapon.
Do you remember from news -- about that wirehouse in Lybia nearly Nuclear Bomb Blast???
2020 Beirut explosion?
\\We can't force peace throughout the world. We can't eliminate the darkness and evil within leaders. Sometimes the best an individual can do is to seek peace within himself and participate best he can through whatever his vote can help accomplish.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
\\And this takes me back to Trump. He lost and proceeded to incite a coup to overturn the election. This would have CANCELED my vote and the votes of 81 million Americans.
Well... but as to outsider, I still can't get it -- why he not in jail yet??? Or... why some vigilante not killed it for good?
It... as one that knows what dirty political technologies used around the worlds, makes me suspicious -- is it true, or that is just a way to make for Biden "convenient" pillow for his pins... instead of free and plural elections.
\\Putin and Trump are both such authoritarians.
There is a little (as for you) and very big (as for me) difference -- Putin HAVE power. For a LONG time. And that is totalitarian power... by this time. Power akin to Stalin and Hitler have had.
While Trump... is powerless critter. In comparation. For now... he is not a proven candidate in elections? AFAIK.
So.
\\Do you see why this is so important to so many of us?
No. It's NOT easy for me to see your point.
Can Trump declare a war??? And I mean not mere babbling -- that anybody of us can do.
But starting something that would mean moving of some... any decent military force???
And that is not some Proud Boys with AR-15(not like I too knowledgeable... but it was repeated so many times in news... that even I -- foreigner, remembered it) I mean some battalions with have weapon and air support for at least (as it was in Panama). Or maybe he can re-direct USA economically and politically??? Like Putin did... just by declaring "from now, we'll go to the East".
I don't see it possible.
Like for example -- Putin recently came out to the public -- and just out of the blue declared that from now abortions will be denied, because Mother Russia needs more troopers...
I guess, Trump, even after becoming POTUS, would think twice... even before considering saying something like that.
See??? What difference I point at?
And in meantime Russian Propaganda bravely bragging about how'd they like to conquer... California.
And next year in a Chinese horoscope is Dragon -- which is self-assigned symbol of China and Chinese State Power... and Chinese are VERY superstitious.
So... only couple month of peaceful life remains... quite probably. :-((((((
Foreigner,
I think you understand the morality of Americans criticizing Putin for his military aggression and interfering in our elections. I think it is our duty to condemn hostile actions by domestic or foreign actors against democracy, decency, and human life.
"And that was not result of them being democratic governments? And people of their countries not wanting to think, to decide anything like that?"
I think the NATO/Putin/Ukraine crisis as well as the mess in the Middle East wasn't a result of democracy, but of preceding wars, autocratic powers, and elected governments' lack of foresight in evaluating possible consequences. Even the best of intentions can result in catastrophe.
The world has seen how a flawed democracy like the US can produce a president who would start a war in Iraq based on lies.
Trump's present power is his influence over the worst of America's white racists and reactionary people. And since he is likely the Republican nominee for president again, he is a clear and present danger to our democratic institution, rule of law, and civil stability.
As you know he can order a mob to terrorize Congress, beat cops bloody and to overturn an election. His loyal followers have shown a willingness to KILL for him. This makes him an imminent threat in or out of office.
He can't start an international war, but he can incite civil war violence and domestic terrorism. He has a cult following that trusts his every word as gospel and justification for their ignorance, bigotry and hate.
His crimes have posed a difficult problem for our justice system. The possibility of such serial criminal actions by a president was never addressed before.
We will find out from the trials if he is held accountable or if he is above the law. If he's above the law, we no longer have the necessary equal justice under law that a democracy needs to survive. He is testing both the strengths and flaws of our political and justice systems.
If Trump had the power of Putin, I'm sure he would behave the same way.
Let's hope China works on their economic recovery more than military aggression. Maybe they understand it's better to keep markets and trade open than to start a war?
\\Foreigner,
I think you understand the morality of Americans criticizing Putin for his military aggression and interfering in our elections. I think it is our duty to condemn hostile actions by domestic or foreign actors against democracy, decency, and human life.
And what??? You will ostracize Putin with "filthy-filthy-nasty-wrong YOU are"... and it'll stop THIRD WORLD WAR preparations????
%-) (crazy face)
It... do not work with your fellow MAGA trumpers... WHY you think it SHOULD influence, ANYHOW, other hemisphere tyrant... that even DUNNO about what you may think/say about it??????
Because he have only UNI-directional interaction with YOUR hemisphere (clip with "hitler" dancing with a globe here)
\\The world has seen how a flawed democracy like the US can produce a president who would start a war in Iraq based on lies.
Allowing Murderous Tyrant to live... was better????!
Now instead of ONE such tyrant... USA killed TOO LATE.
There is TWO of em. And in much bigger countries. With Nukes.
FacePalm!!!
\\He can't start an international war, but he can incite civil war violence and domestic terrorism. He has a cult following that trusts his every word as gospel and justification for their ignorance, bigotry and hate.
Maybe he can.
Maybe he not.
But that -- do not say a thing about Third World War that ALREADY STARTED.
Same as premises of Second World War was "civil war" in Spain... to which coalition of *democratic* countries WAS NOT able to answer DECISIVELY. And ALLOWED to use Spain as playground to teach their troops to spill blood.
Now wars in Ukraine, Syria... now Israel.
OPENED Pandora's Box. WIDE OPEN!!!
And you trying to sway me with what only "could be"???
\\Let's hope China works on their economic recovery more than military aggression. Maybe they understand it's better to keep markets and trade open than to start a war?
China have build it's "Prosperity" on the base of Financial Pyramid. SAME what Hitler did -- you said you know History -- why you visibly DO NOT know that fact???
So now... only way for Xi to go out of that predicament -- without loosing State Power (and his life). Because -- he is NOT a politician of *democratic* country that can leave his position just being booed by public.
Is... through "little winning war" -- step in step after Putin -- to which USA ALLOWED SEVERAL such wars ALREADY!
Well... thank you for conversation.
It was an answer to my amateur historian question. Well, everybody's of those who know 20th century History question -- how, just HOW people of that times could be SO blind, and didn't see what's going-on before their very eyes... after such astonishing hand-on example as First World War was... and all clear premonitions...
What OVER TOP Rubbish from Someone Who Is Such an Over-the -Top MORONIC, Anti-Semitic Bull-Shit Artist, That it Is Thoroughly Distasteful, and so tried to be Hidden under the gize of being a Progressive Cry Baby!.
But the whole world of Blogger can see right Through you like a piece of Glass.
Frank,
Thank you for your thoughtful and constructive criticism. It's refreshing to have someone who can rationally discuss and debate the issues with facts and evidence to support their arguments.
There's so much to be learned from your clear-headed remarks.
We can see you followed my simple template for conveying a sensible refutation of my points through your own particular idiom.
“Dave, I have to say you are stating falsehoods, or reached unreasoned conclusions, by claiming (_____) and (_______). These facts and evidence (_____) and (____) suggest you are quite mistaken.”
LOL!!
But seriously, we understand why you're unable to form cogent sentences and reasonable thoughts. Your FEELINGS are hurt by information and ideas you cannot comprehend. You've been indoctrinated to react with anger at anyone who doesn't believe whatever Donald Trump tells you to believe. That makes us "moronic and distasteful", as well as any other demeaning and derogatory term your rage can access and sputter.
And so you have to react through emotional outbursts instead of attempting rational discourse. You're trained like parrots to accuse those who do not revere Trump and worship every word he whines as gospel as "evil, moronic, racist, antisemitic, communist, unpatriotic, yadda, yadda, yadda".
We get it. And for those of you who let Trump do all thinking FOR you, it is practically IMPOSSIBLE to think for yourself. Thinking for oneself is very difficult for most people, let alone for those in a cult.
It's just easier and emotionally satisfying to get angry and HATE those who CAN express thoughts and convey information. This is highly undesirable in radical Right ideology and needs to be scorned with all rage you can muster. How DARE anyone NOT WORSHIP your mendacious malevolent messiah as THE ONLY noble and honest savior of America and all that is good.
All that matters is your immature tantrum makes you FEEL that satisfying emotional rush of self-righteousness. You FEEL good about hating others. This of course is Trumpism, the direct opposite of the teachings of Jesus, your former savior.
Dave you are either Dumb as Hell, or a good Comedian either way I find your posts to as ignorant, as the day is long. I think that you are hanging around that stupid progressive Lady to much, and most likely also watching The View to much.
Patriot Girl,
Thank you for you thoughtful and constructive criticism.
Maybe my jokes go over your head?
If I'm as dumb as you think I am, how about you share your gift of intellectual brilliance and your trove of information that would help enlighten me?
Wouldn't that be the decent, Christian thing to do? As I've been almost begging all along, I provided a template for any corrective information that would set me straight.
NOT ONE Trump supporter would kindly point out my errors and share the correct information'
WHY IS THAT?
Or maybe your superior intelligence grasps the Great Truth that I cannot comprehend.
Maybe all I need to do to become as wise as yourself is to just accept every word from Donald Trump as gospel.
Do I need to accept Trump as my personal Savior of America and allow him to wash away all the falsehoods my lack of faith has allowed to infiltrate my mind? Like Biden won.
The way I see it, you feel I need to believe Trump's word is as sacred and infallible as the words of Jesus Himself. Trump is always honest, never lies, and is always correct with the facts. His words about who to blame and hate seem to hold more truth for you than Jesus telling you to love your enemies.
Am I getting it right?
Would you kindly help me see the light of the ONE TRUE SAVIOR Donald Trump?
Why should I trust his every word, even after he tried to CANCEL MY VOTE and the votes of 81 MILLION Americans?
If I'm so stupid, isn't it selfish of you NOT to teach me, especially after I ask for the facts to set me straight?
Or are you just like all of the other Trumpists, who can only get angry, spew their hate, call me names, and then run away from any civil discussion?
WWJD? Praise Trump?
It is a phenomenon not to be missed. Irrational folks passing off belief driven and unsubstantiated gibberish that any educated and rational individual will dismiss out of hand.
Good work offering many factually substantiated and completely truthful responses Dave.
NOT ONE BIDUMB supporter would kindly point out ANY thing that this DELUSIONAL, SENILE, Crooked FOOL has done for this country, NOT ONE!
WHY IS THAT?
@PG... If you can provide a link, or links to substantiate your beliefs and assertions it would helpful. Short of that they are just words of gibberish.
David, its you and people like you who are FUCKING up this country .. You know damn well that Trump is not in anyway a Nazi, or a Nazi Lover. You are 100 percent FULL OF SHIT!
Have a shitty day!
Patriot Girl,
So you still can't show me the facts that indicate I am in error? You didn't even try. To borrow you own words, why is that? The reason you are unable is because you have nothing to prove I am incorrect.
Instead you parroted Trump/Republican talking points.
This tells us you are not a very curious person, one who doesn't want to learn what you don't want to know.
If you only listen to Trump and Republican sources you'd never know about:
The American Rescue Plan in response to COVID-19
This sent Americans in the low-to-medium income range a $1,400 payment to help fund basic necessities like rent and groceries. Biden also extended a $300 a week federal unemployment benefit for some 9.7 million people out of work at the time, temporarily expanded the child tax credit program, allotted $7.25 billion for small business loans and $128 billion in grants for state educational agencies.
Remember the number of times Trump promised "Infrastructure week", but NEVER delivered?
Well, Biden DID that. AND with bi-partisan support.
A bipartisan infrastructure bill
Biden signed a $1 trillion infrastructure bill into law in November 2021 that will repair the nation's roads, bridges and railways, bring high-speed internet to rural communities and more.
The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law includes: $284 billion for transportation needs, which includes repairing bridges and roadways, public transit and airports, electric vehicles and low emission public transportation; $65 billion for broadband internet; $73 billion for power infrastructure; and $55 billion for clean drinking water. The legislation was a major bipartisan achievement, made possible by 32 Republicans — 13 in the House and 19 in the Senate — who crossed the aisle to ensure it passed.
Trump had pressed conservatives to vote against the bill. He doesn’t give a damn if we drink dirty water or if bridges collapse and kill Americans. ALL he cares about is himself.
Shameless Republicans who voted against the infrastructure bill are now hypocrites trying to take credit for it.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-01-24/these-republicans-voted-against-bidens-infrastructure-bill-theyre-running-on-it-anyway
"Republicans who voted against Biden’s infrastructure bill are touting its projects anyway"
WASHINGTON — Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) last year left little doubt why she was voting against a $1-trillion bipartisan infrastructure measure, calling it nothing more than a “socialist plan full of crushing taxes and radical spending.”
Yet, when the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers announced on Wednesday that very same infrastructure bill would be funding a $403-million flood control project in her district in the Fort Worth area, Granger wasted no time in hailing the effort.
“This is a great day for Fort Worth,” she said in a statement. She did not mention where the Army Corps was getting the money but thanked the agency for its “hard work and tireless commitment” to making her community safer...
The law, which passed Congress in November, drew bipartisan support. Nineteen Senate Republicans, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, voted with Democrats to approve the bill. In the House of Representatives, only 13 Republicans supported it. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersfield) fought the legislation, as did former President Trump.
Among the Republicans who bashed the law but are taking credit for its initiatives in recent weeks are two lawmakers representing Louisiana: Rep. Steve Scalise, the House minority whip, and Rep. Clay Higgins, whose district spans the southern part of the Bayou State.
Building semiconductors at home through the CHIPS Act
The CHIPS and Science Act of 2022 passed in August, which allocated roughly $53 billion in federal funding to manufacture semiconductor chips in the U.S. instead of relying on China to produce them.
The Inflation Reduction Act
As noted, post-pandemic inflation was GLOBAL, and now it is receding from 9.1% to 3.24% in the US.
This includes a $2,000 annual cap for out-of-pocket prescription drug costs for those insured by Medicare and allows for drug price negotiations to lower costs of insulin and other vital medications for millions of Americans.
Meanwhile your Republican heroes are promising to gut our Social Security and Medicare to cover their tax cuts for corporations and the rich.
You probably don't know this either. Feel free to look it up and get back to me with your new-found knowledge.
"Conserned" Citizen full of hate and bullshit,
Refute my words, not what YOU think they are. Try reading what I wrote and get back to me with your argument.
I don't expect it, because your radical hate and willful ignorance won't allow it.
When the history of this era of American history is written by future historians both conservatives and the GOP will be harshly judged.
As Willie Nelson might sing...
Momma don't let your babies grow up to be conservative republican.
Their hypocritical stench is unmistakenable.
Les,
I hope you're right. The alternative would be the end of the republic.
It is now US v Trump. Trump must not be allowed to win in court or in an election.
"end of the republic". Bull Shit
"Trump must not be ALLOWED to win in court or in an election."
How fascist of you. What part of our Constitution do you support being done away with to make this happen?
Anonymous,
We can see you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Having your head full of Trump bullshit can have that effect.
Trump has shown every intention of removing anyone in our government not loyal to HIM. The word for that is dictatorship.
In fact, he promised he WOULD be a dictator on "day one". He's already shown us how dictators refuse to concede power and will only be worse than before.
Yes, Trump must not be allowed to win, by lawful conviction and a lawful election. I'm not a traitor like you who wants a violent overthrow of our elections and Constitution.
The fact you project justice and democracy as "fascist" shows us how little you can mentally process reality.
It was YOUR malevolent mendacious messiah who crowed, "We love you. You're very special", to his violent insurrectionist thugs.
It was YOUR malevolent mendacious messiah who crowed like a crybaby sore loser and enemy of democracy with, “Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
So the question is, What part of our Constitution do you support being done away with to install Trump as dictator?
My deepest wish? That wannabe Furher Trump experiences his karma kicking in before election time and Trump realizes impermanence.
Mine too, Les, mine too.
Even though Trump has support, he will not win the election. I wish Biden would select a better, more intelligent running mate.
Our people are not the same as the people of 1930's Germany, and I have faith they will not let someone like Trump do similar atrocities, even if he regains power.
It's important that people get out and vote, to override Trump's supporters.
Anonymous,
I share your sense of urgency that enough people will vote next year.
The primary difference between the populations of 1930's Germany and the US is there is more diversity here. Conditions and scapegoats are different, but human nature isn't.
White Americans are his only majority demographic, especially the less educated among them.
His first followers bought into his racist birtherism, denying the legitimacy of Obama the "Kenyan Marxist usurper". He preyed on their bigotry and fear of immigrants.
This is known as "white fright" and it decided the 2016 election for him. White evangelicals who falsely believe America is a "Christian nation" saw him as their means to ban abortion.
Here's a good article on this:
https://theconversation.com/the-real-reason-trump-won-white-fright-67899
"The real reason Trump won: White fright"
The real reason he won
If social economic status – especially education – is a gateway to a more tolerant, democratic society, why did middle- and upper-class voters back someone who represents the antithesis of such values?
It’s actually pretty simple, in my opinion. My reading of history suggests that the boundaries of American identity intersect with whiteness, patriarchy, xenophobia and homophobia. This means that anyone, any group that falls outside of such a definition of American identity, is considered beyond the political community; they’re aliens.
Rapid social change, which poses a threat to this truncated version of American identity, activates anxiety and anger on the part of those who lay claim to this identity. The America with which they’ve become familiar is changing too fast. Hence, the slogan for the Trump campaign: “Make America great again.”
It's sad to say if the US was as white as Germany Trump would still be president.
Diversity, controlled immigration, and acceptance that there is more lileness between races and cultures than there is differences is the ONLY way out of this ridiculous insanity for good. Unfortunately the human race has not yet evolved enough to fully grasp the cosmic alignment with this simple truth.
Les,
The evolution of human intelligence has resulted in many of our slower-witted fellow primates screeching and throwing feces at those of us who have evolved to levels of conscience and consciousness beyond their mental/spiritual capacities.
No wonder they need to deny the existence of evolution itself. They never had the gumption or intellectual curiosity to learn on their own, so they resent those of us who have what they lack. They're quite smug and satisfied to let filthy rich servants of mammon, aka Bible-thumping swindlers, as well as Trump and his authoritarian thugs define reality FOR them.
Humans better learn fast that the choice is clear. Humanity either evolves or falls into self-extinction.
Thank god "white fright" is quickly disappearing as our country is quickly becoming minority white. A minority white culture will bring its own problems including a more conservative and uneducated electorate.
Anonymous,
I also share your concern about uneducated conservative white people.
Ignorance is, after all, a Republican value.
Well.
You have had enough time to think about it.
But as I can guess, you just thrown it out of your mind -- all signs of Third World War coming... and actually already started.
Am I right?
Foreigner,
There is always a war in this world. Humans can't seem to evolve past that tragic flaw in their nature. It's always suited authoritarian leaders to stoke anger, fear and hate.
Some say WWIII has been ongoing since the Korean and Vietnam "proxy wars".
The threat posed by nuclear weapons has never gone away.
The "war on terror" has never ended. The tribal/land/religious war in Israel has been ongoing since 1948.
Putin has joined American Republicans in undermining our elections and fomenting civil war.
There will always be war, I'm afraid, as long as authoritarians have power and religion infects politics.
For there to truly be a Third World War wouldn't that mean direct open warfare between Russia or China and the West?
So what do you suggest we do about it?
Human ignorance and self delusion will ultimately be the end of life as we know it. Humans are, the planet's biggest parasite.
Les,
The unholy convergence and rise of neo-Nazi Christian nationalism and Kleptocratic Trumpism is again topping my list of Festivus grievances this year.
Even if justice prevails in our courts, and voters elect Biden, many in the cult might decide to take up arms for the lost cause of their Martyred Malevolent Mendacious Messiah.
About 3 in 10 of his supporters think that Trump breaking the law for political ends is okay.
That’s the finding of a new Fox News poll this weekend. It phrased the question thusly:
“Some people say things in the U.S. are so far off track that we need a president willing to break some rules and laws to set things right, while others say the president should always follow the rules and laws. Which comes closest to your view?”
And the rest of them think he's done nothing wrong and is being "persecuted" by the DOJ.
I count myself fortunate to have a sufficiently sick sense of humor as armor against the slings and arrows of outrageous MAGAts.
But seriously, you're right about human ignorance and self-delusion. It all stems from their over-active primitive fear center in their amygdala.
We are primates. Animals. And we are subject to our easily manipulated fear of the unknown and unfamiliar "others" as the greatest motivator apart from hunger and immediate safety.
And every sane, rational, and compassionate person IS the unknown "other" to the cult.
Fred
Are Hamas and its supporters calling for the destruction of Israel and protesting in the streets neo-Nazis? Are they anti democracy?
If the left is as they claim, pro democracy, saying Trump and those who support Israel and conservatives are not, then how can they support Hamas? Something does not compute.
Anonymous Fred,
1. No. Neo-Nazis hate Arabs and Muslims too.
2. Hamas and their supporters are likely anti-democracy and more theocratic. Like Republicans. Trump and his party are anti-democracy and want their religion written into the law.
3. The Left IS pro-democracy. Always has been. This is why they are hated by the ant-democratic radical Right.
Here's what does not compute. You ASSUME the left is pro-Hamas by being anti-genocide. The same twisted thinking assumes that anyone against Netanyahu is "antisemitic". The Left is pro-peace and justice. Netanyahu is the Trump of Israel. The Israeli public has had enough of him and his radical Right policies that do NOTHING to reduce Palestinian or Israeli violence.
Now a question for you.
What do suppose is the Palestinians' primary grievance against Israel?
Go ahead, study up on it and get back to me.
The MAGA tribe never studies what they don't want to know. They simply manipulate the sound bites that they think supports their dishonesty and insanity.
Yes, Les.
To borrow an old expression, we can lead MAGA to the facts, but they will still drink the koolade.
On Tuesday, outspoken anti-Israel activist Linda Sarsour, along with dozens of anti-Israel demonstrators, staged a protest inside the US Capitol building in Washington, DC. They demanded that aid to Israel from the US be halted as the nation fights a war against Iranian-backed Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
The protest was shut down by Capitol Police, and a number of those who took part were arrested, including Sarsour.
"Insurrection happening now in the Capital!!" Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote, posting a video of the incident. "Arrest them all and throw them in the DC gulag in solitary confinement just like J6'ers!"
Hey, Anonymous. Is that you Vern? You sound like him. Can you guess who else supports HAMAS? Trump's pal Putin.
Anonymous is letting Marjorie Taylor Greene define reality for him.
If that isn't a measure of profound stupidity, I can't think of a more obvious one.
Didn't she just admit J6 criminals are insurrectionists? Sounds like it. Anonymous seems to agree.
Of course Anonymous isn't bright enough to understand these protestors didn't storm the Capitol, terrorize Congress, beat cops bloody, and try to overturn our election on orders from a LYING CRIMINAL LOSER.
Frankly, Netanyahu, Trump's twin in Zionist land, deserves to be ousted on his ass. An authoritarian genocidal asshole that deserves zero respect.
\\ Blogger Dave Dubya said...
\\ Foreigner,
\\ There is always a war in this world.
I heard you.
Thank you.
\\For there to truly be a Third World War wouldn't that mean direct open warfare between Russia or China and the West?
Direct? Open?
While trend of Third Millenium showing that proxy wars and covert actions is on its prime.
\\So what do you suggest we do about it?
Ehm... increase people's awareness of it?
\\And the rest of them think he's done nothing wrong and is being "persecuted" by the DOJ.
\\I count myself fortunate to have a sufficiently sick sense of humor as armor against the slings and arrows of outrageous MAGAts.
And what your sense of humor tells you about USA becoming just your next banana republic?
Where prime opposition leader can be ousted from election by the way of phony court judgments.
Is it what you'd call "standards of democracy"? Then... you'll sound VERY SIMILAR to Putin of Russia -- who putting his political opponents in jail.
Well... he also was killing em too. But in current state of mutual outrage... I cannot help it to not have a very big doubts, that it couldn't happen too... (well, it would be BIG WIN for Putin and Xi -- to kill Trump as close as possible to elections time... to throw you even into bigger turmoil)
\\So what do you suggest we do about it?
"Ehm... increase people's awareness of it?"
If only the anti-war people had as large a propaganda network as the pro-war people. The voice of citizens are drowned out by belligerent leaders and the military/industrial complex. The US has had a terrible history of this being the case since WWII.
Anti-war people should condemn Putin as much as they condemned Bush for invading Iraq after convincing most Americans Saddam was involved with 9/11.
Words that have haunted us since the last century.
"Naturally the common people don't want war...but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." -Hermann Goring
"And what your sense of humor tells you about USA becoming just your next banana republic?"
I'm thankful I am old and won't have to live so long with consequences of political/military madness, and I pity the younger people most.
Where prime opposition leader can be ousted from election by the way of phony court judgments. Is it what you'd call "standards of democracy"?
You sound like a Trump supporter with this assumption. His violent coup and criminal conspiracy to overturn our election is reasonably called insurrection. Our Constitution's 14th Amendment says:
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Our Supreme Court is packed with Trump appointees and corrupt sympathizers who take bribes from billionaires. They will obviously reject the Colorado court decision.
Putin's puppet Trump is exactly the turmoil and chaos Putin wants to see in the US. Trump will abandon Ukraine and destroy NATO for Putin. He echoes the hate and lies of Hitler, and admits he wants to be dictator, in case you missed all the points I made above.
No one has divided our citizens more with lies and racist hate than Trump. White people are the only demographic with majority support for him.
Dictatorship and banana republic are his goals. He has declared himself above the law and Constitution, as noted above.
And you're likely right. The Supreme Loyalists on the scotus will likely toss out Colorado and support the insurrectionist. I for one will be astonished it they do the right thing and uphold truth and the law. The supreme
court is no longer even close to an honest one.
History punishes political frivolity. Dependent on the government handouts, too many blacks lost control over their destiny. They foolishly entrusted their fate to the decisions of the others and thus far have fulfilled Lyndon Johnson’s prophesy, “I’ll have these N---ers voting Democrat for the next two hundred years.”
In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a highly intelligent and well-informed individual, in his eloquent testimony, adumbrated the Democrats:
The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States. (“The Negro Family: The Case for National Action,” March 1965)
Whether it is slavery, segregation, or redemption, the doctrinal objective of the Democrat party has always been in line with Goethe’s famous observation, “The triumph of despotism is to force the slaves to declare themselves free. It may need no force; the slaves may proclaim their freedom quite sincerely: but they are nonetheless slaves.”
That’s why, back in 2012, when then the Democratic Party presumptive nominee, Vice President Joe Biden, spoke at a rally in Danville, Virginia, and insinuated that the Republicans wanted to put black voters back in chains, he was wrong, as usual. He did not realize that he was talking about Democrat chains.
If Anonymous wishes to continue to add comments, he must give a name from now on.
My blog, my rule.
Anonymous is playing the tired white identity trope that “foolish Blacks” are dupes of the Democrats’ diabolical racist plot to keep them enslaved on the dreaded “Democrat Plantation”.
Racists LOVE this this BS. It’s right up there with “Democrats founded the KKK!” They were in fact former Confederates. Nothing to do with the Democratic Party of THIS CENTURY.
It conveniently projects their own racism to Democrats. Yup, deep in the Trump Republican white nationalist brain is the primitive fear center in their amygdala, simmering with resentments, anger and fear that Blacks and Jews are in cahoots with those damn commie democrats due to their stupidity and the evil machinations of their heartless Democratic overlords.
Moynihan made the argument for programs for jobs, vocational training, and educational programs for the black community. Every Trump Republican today would howl, “Socailist/Nazi/commanism!”at the idea.
Psychologist William Ryan coined the phrase "blaming the victim" in his 1971 book Blaming the Victim, specifically as a critique of the Moynihan report. He said that it was an attempt to divert responsibility for poverty from social structural factors to the behaviors and cultural patterns of the poor.
Republicans don’t give a damn about the Black community. Their attitude for African Americans is to gerrymander them out of fair representation, to SILENCE them because they dare support the Democrats since JFK and then LBJ pushed through the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
Now conservative judges are tearing down the Voting Rights Act, unleashing more radical WHITE RIGHT GERRYMANDERING.
Trump Republicans ARE the racist neo-Confederates, threatening another civil war if their version of Hitler doesn’t win.
And that brings us back to the original subject.
But we know Anonymous doesn’t want to discuss Trump’s neo-Nazi ravings about being dictator or “poisoning the blood of America”, or the “vermin” who dare stand in his way or hold him accountable.
Anonymous tried to deflect from that, but ironically lead us straight back with his thinly disguised racism wrapped in the veneer of a Goethe quote that has nothing to do with the United States today.
\\If only the anti-war people had as large a propaganda network as the pro-war people.
You think that war can be stopped with mere babbling???
That's... monstrously stupid.
Sorry. But I CAN'T see it any other way. :-/
\\..Saddam was involved with 9/11.
And he was "not involved" in aggression against Kuwait?
And was not strengthening its rule to start EVEN BIGGER aggression?
And was not trying to acquire mass destruction weapon for that?
Well... I can agree that it was over-reaction. But... still, Saddam still needed to be dealt with. That was USA's mistake -- that he was not punished for Kuwait.
Problems with Putin and HAMAS -- is DIRECT consequences of that indecisivness.
Evil not punished -- only GROW bigger.
\\"Naturally the common people don't want war...but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." -Hermann Goring
Except.
In some countries PEOPLE themself WANT IT.
Like Germans under Hitler.
Was there someone attacked Germany??? No.
That was Germans themself, that desired riches grabbed from their neighbor countries. And people of that countries as slaves.
SAME... as Palestinians want blood of innocent children of Israel.
\\I'm thankful I am old and won't have to live so long with consequences of political/military madness, and I pity the younger people most.
Irresponsible elders???
Yeah... that is the reason of all wars and monstrosity in this world. :-((((((((
\\Where prime opposition leader can be ousted from election by the way of phony court judgments. Is it what you'd call "standards of democracy"?
\\You sound like a Trump supporter with this assumption.
Naaah.
I just know a little about what happening in all other World. Outside of USA.
Like Turkie Erdogan -- ousting prime opposition leader out of election... and now lead its country into despoty, with goal to rebuild Osman empire.
Putin seasoning his prime opposition leader in a jail... and started monstrous war against neighbor country to rebuild Russian empire.
Xi of China ousted EVERYONE who could say no to his further plans to start a war, for the sake of rebuilding China empire.
And many-many other smaller autocrats and despot RISING their heads, crawling out of their ratholes...
And NOW... they have EVEN MORE perfect excuses for doing all that shit -- SEE, USA, that Most Brightest Democracy DO IT TOO!!!
That's... unsettling. :-(((((((
\\His violent coup and criminal conspiracy to overturn our election is reasonably called insurrection.
Yeah... and was dragged for a 3 years... decisive response and adequate punishment of it.
That's... even MORE unsettling. :-((((((((((((((((((
\\Our Constitution's 14th Amendment says:
Whatever.
I know enough... see above.
To know that outright TOTALITARIANS have NO problem to found plausible explanation why their political opponents must be punished...
DO YOU trying to reassure me here... that USA ALREADY ready to behave THE SAME as them???
That's... even MOAR HORENDOUSLY unsettling :-(((((((((((((((((((
\\Our Supreme Court is packed with Trump appointees and corrupt sympathizers who take bribes from billionaires. They will obviously reject the Colorado court decision.
Yes.
That's only hope. That that slip into totalitarism (by the same road as in OPEN and OBVIOUS totalitarian rewgimes)... will be fixed before too late.
Small hope. :-((((((((((((((((((
For a whole World. :-((((((((((((((((((((((((
If BIGGEST Democracy in the World would not be able to overcome it...
what chance for ANY other Democracy in the World would be, aaah???
When such a "streamlining" of subversion of democratic competition... into rule of "might makes right"... will be made "yap, democracies do it too"...
So??? What's the difference between democracy and totalitarian rule there could be???? Remaining. :-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
\\Dictatorship and banana republic are his goals. He has declared himself above the law and Constitution, as noted above.
And you choose to fix it with Totalitarian patch?
Sorry. Distaste grown too much in me. To level I might start swearing.
Farewell!
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Whether it is slavery, segregation, or redemption, the doctrinal objective of the Democrat party has always been in line with Goethe’s famous observation, “The triumph of despotism is to force the slaves to declare themselves free. It may need no force; the slaves may proclaim their freedom quite sincerely: but they are nonetheless slaves.”
""
Yes.
Historically accurate.
Socialistic slaves in Soviet Union was chanting just that, on May Day: "We are not slaves! Slaves are not we!".
But.
History teaches... that it teaches nothing. Those who do not like to learn from history. :-((((((
Foreigner,
Human nature is indeed susceptible to manipulations by authoritarian leaders. They stoke fear and anger towards scapegoats or inflate foreign and domestic threats to unite followers through that fear and anger.
It's terrible to see the resurgence of such leaders, even in the US.
Trump has exploited the flaws in "American Democracy". The US boasts of being the "Beacon of freedom and democracy" but this may have been true for only a small period of history.
Too much of our Constitution was written so slave states would stay in the union. Slavey was tolerated from the beginning of our so-called democratic republic. Women could not vote, only white male property owners.
The fact we cannot even choose a president with a majority of the popular vote is one of those serious flaws. This system of states choosing "electors" was demanded by the slave states.
In a way slavery was the original sin, or poison pill, of our so-called democracy.
We can now see how an authoritarian white leader can get away with crimes against our democracy. You're right that it is unacceptable how long it took to charge Trump with his crimes committed in broad daylight.
The question remains. How do the people prevent the cruel, greedy, and dishonest people from gaining power? This is made more difficult when their true intentions are not revealed before getting elected.
History only teaches when it is taught. History should teach us, but our public education system is under attack by those who support Trump, even if he is convicted of the crimes he is charged with.
A growing number of our high school graduates are showing how little they understand American history and our political system. They know even less of geography and world history.
The party of Trump has been suppressing the teaching of the history of slavery and racism in our country. "Whitewashing" it, so to speak.
Those educators are called communists who want to blame their white children for racism and make them "feel guilty". Now these people are denying our elections and supporting a criminal loser. They are even banning books about Anne Frank in elementary schools.
Younger people are learning less about the Holocaust, even to the point of blaming Jews for it.
FIRST-EVER 50-STATE SURVEY ON HOLOCAUST KNOWLEDGE OF AMERICAN MILLENNIALS AND GEN Z REVEALS SHOCKING RESULTS
Disturbing Findings Reveal Significant Number Of Millennials and Gen Z Can’t Name A Single Concentration Camp Or Ghetto, Believe That Two Million Or Fewer Jews Were Killed And A Concerning Percentage Believe That Jews Caused The Holocaust
https://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/
Teaching used to be an honorable profession. Now teachers are attacked by angry radical Right propaganda-fed parents. Usually white and conservative.
Humans are emotionally reactive more than rationally motivated. Maybe that's our problem?
Two statements make this clear.
Hitler said, “What good fortune for those in power that people do not think”.
Trump said, "I love the poorly educated".
It seems we need a new Age of Enlightenment to counter the growing darkness.
Instead we are more like Orwell's "1984" where "War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength".
"1984" is being used more as an operating manual for tyranny than a warning to humanity.
Anonymous is deflecting from Trump's neo-Nazi rhetoric with "Harvard President Gay's Plagiarism Problem" and "Didn't Biden get caught plagiarizing in college?"
How the hell can plagiarized student papers be compared to neo-Nazi words from a presidential candidate?
Gay is Harvard's problem to deal with. Biden got an "F" on his paper and had to take the course over again.
The other "offense" by Biden was inadvertently uncredited words in a debate speech he gave. Biden later admitted "his whole life might have changed if he had said two words on the debate stage: ‘Like Kinnock …’”
Meanwhile Anonymous is fine with Trump's Nazi talk and 30,000 lies.
Anonymous still refuses to add an identifier to his comments and will not be published until he does.
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\\ Foreigner,
\\ Human nature is indeed susceptible to manipulations by authoritarian leaders. They stoke fear and anger towards scapegoats or inflate foreign and domestic threats to unite followers through that fear and anger.
Still.
It's up to each individual -- to be hooked on that lies and plug itself in that chain of perpetuating lies... or to defy it.
A lone man refusing to do the Nazi salute, 1936
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May I barge in here?
\\How the hell can plagiarized student papers be compared to neo-Nazi words from a presidential candidate?
Words... is just words.
While plagiarizm... that's a crime.
Like, imagine a surgeon that plagiarized his degree... would you lay on the table of such surgeon?
And POTUS... it's position MUCH MORE responsible. On that surgeon table only one person can be... when on POTUS table, whole nation.
Well... that is in accordance with COMMON SENSE.
But you are free to explain to me -- what version of common non-sense you basing your political culture on, there, in USA...
\\It's terrible to see the resurgence of such leaders, even in the US.
Leaders?
Not practices?
Because, you know, Hitler did just this -- criticized leaders. While promoting heinous practices.
There is language barrier. And that is possible that I don't get it something.
But from elementary common sense -- we call some countries totalitarian NOT because some nasty people with nickname "tyrants" govern over em... but because of totalitarian PRACTICES that are pervasive there.
\\Too much of our Constitution was written so slave states would stay in the union. Slavey was tolerated from the beginning of our so-called democratic republic. Women could not vote, only white male property owners.
That is erroneous understanding of History.
It's deeply wrong to criticize people of the past for something we learned to call bad only today...
\\The question remains. How do the people prevent the cruel, greedy, and dishonest people from gaining power? This is made more difficult when their true intentions are not revealed before getting elected.
And whose intention are?
Isn't that is why we need Democracy -- to keep politician accountable???
And that is what they trying to thrig off... that duty to be accountable.
Exactly with using that method -- make it choice between "bad... and worse".
By trying to draw political opponent as UnHoly Enemy.
INSTEAD of proposing something positive. More beneficial to their voters.
Well... EXACTLY that same method which totalitarians using.
And that is not my mere words.
That is what Reality showing to us... in numerous examples.
That same Putin -- that ask people to "re-elect" him. Because he branded as "only protector from enemies from the West"...
\\Younger people are learning less about the Holocaust, even to the point of blaming Jews for it.
Is that is a reason why they support Palestinians against Jews???
\\Hitler said, “What good fortune for those in power that people do not think”.
\\Trump said, "I love the poorly educated".
Whatever.
When Hitler said it? Isn't when he was full-fledged dictator? One ordering his armies march over Europe.
While Trump... is just a babbler. Not certified candidate EVEN.
While... there is REAL DEAL reincarnation of Hitler -- which ALREADY ordering his armies, to march over Europe. AGAIN!
That is difference between a accidental sneezing. And bubonic plague. That already showing it's signs.
\\Instead we are more like Orwell's "1984" where "War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength".
Yes.
I have same feeling.
But... I fear to mention it here. To inflict even more of that lame suspicions "You sound like a Trump supporter"...
because I feel it when talking with Dem party aligned people.
While Rep aligned... they, give only regular conservative/religious vibes...
It is becoming clear we are a nation in decline. Before another 200 years pass the USA will likely be just another "third world shit hole". Thank you con republicans and Donald Asshole Insurrectionist Trump.
Foreigner,
While plagiarizm... that's a crime.
Sometimes. Not in the cases discussed.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plagiarism#:~:text=Plagiarism%20is%20the%20act%20of,a%20person's%20school%20or%20workplace.
Plagiarism is the act of taking a person’s original work and presenting it as if it was one’s own. Plagiarism is not illegal in the United States in most situations. Instead it is considered a violation of honor or ethics codes and can result in disciplinary action from a person’s school or workplace. However, plagiarism can warrant legal action if it infringes upon the original author’s copyright, patent, or trademark. Plagiarism can also result in a lawsuit if it breaches a contract with terms that only original work is acceptable.
Plagiarism is not illegal in the United States in most situations. Instead it is considered a violation of honor or ethics codes and can result in disciplinary action from a person's school or workplace.
https://www.citadel.edu/plagiarism/frequently-asked-questions/#:~:text=Plagiarism%20can%20also%20be%20considered,to%20ten%20years%20in%20jail.&text=Most%20corporations%20and%20institutions%20will%20not%20tolerate%20any%20form%20of%20plagiarism.
Plagiarism can also be considered a felony under certain state and federal laws. For example, if a plagiarist copies and earns more than $2,500 from copyrighted material, he or she may face up to $250,000 in fines and up to ten years in jail.
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But you are free to explain to me -- what version of common non-sense you basing your political culture on, there, in USA...
Interesting question, if I get your point.
So many political cultures, from various configurations of White Identity/ White nationalism/ white supremacy, racist white militias, Black nationalism, Christian evangelicals, Women’s rights, LGBTQ rights, Native American issues, environmental groups, The Russian subsidized NRA and gun culture to name a few.
All these groups can have extreme viewpoints, particularly on the White Right.
A particularly anti-democratic political culture is the refusal to compromise by Republicans. They want absolute minority rule that favors the rich, corporations and white identity. They actively try to suppress Black representation in Congress.
The worst non-sense is Trumpism, based on white identity, white evangelicalism, neo-fascist hate, and scapegoating.
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Leaders? Not practices?
The practices today are voter suppression and what is called "systemic racism". An example is how Blacks are stopped by police for no reason far more than whites. The Republican Right denies systemic racism exists. In fact they now say WHITE people are the "real victims" of racism. Sort of like Hitler said Aryans were the victims of Jews.
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It's deeply wrong to criticize people of the past for something we learned to call bad only today...
There's good reason to consider this in many cases.
However.
The first country to fully outlaw slavery was France in 1315. It took the US until 1865.In the United States, all the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804.
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While Trump... is just a babbler. Not certified candidate EVEN.
While... there is REAL DEAL reincarnation of Hitler -- which ALREADY ordering his armies, to march over Europe. AGAIN!
Yes, Trump is a certified candidate for the Republican nomination. He's running to gain presidential immunity to prosecution and for personal power. And he is a huge fan of Putin.
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"You sound like a Trump supporter"...
I think I explained how they use the racist and outrageous "democrat plantation" trope that you came close to saying.
I don't think you meant it that way.
And this:
How many of his supporters think that Trump breaking the law for political ends is okay?
About 3 in 10.
That’s the finding of a new Fox News poll this weekend. It phrased the question thusly:
“Some people say things in the U.S. are so far off track that we need a president willing to break some rules and laws to set things right, while others say the president should always follow the rules and laws. Which comes closest to your view?”
\\Sometimes. Not in the cases discussed.
Well... same way Trump followers think about his crimes, I presume.
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Instead it is considered a violation of honor or ethics codes
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Well... if that is your standards of POTUS candidate, no, acting one... conduct...
\\But you are free to explain to me -- what version of common non-sense you basing your political culture on, there, in USA...
\\Interesting question, if I get your point.
Point is simple.
If there is Freedom of Speech -- it PRECISELY PROHIBIT any punishment... or even ATTEMPTING punishment... for mere babbling.
What Does Free Speech Mean?
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Freedom of speech includes the right: · Not to speak (specifically, the right not to salute the flag). · Of students to wear black armbands to school to protest ...
Freedom of speech includes the right:
Not to speak (specifically, the right not to salute the flag).
West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).
Of students to wear black armbands to school to protest a war (“Students do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate.”).
Tinker v. Des Moines, 393 U.S. 503 (1969).
To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).
To contribute money (under certain circumstances) to political campaigns.
Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976).
To advertise commercial products and professional services (with some restrictions).
Virginia Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Consumer Council, 425 U.S. 748 (1976); Bates v. State Bar of Arizona, 433 U.S. 350 (1977).
To engage in symbolic speech, (e.g., burning the flag in protest).
Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990).
Pardon me, if something. I am not specialist in US laws or something.
That is just what quick googling gives.
It all new things to me.
Some more free speech restriction From Britannica:
Permissible restrictions on expression
Despite the broad freedom of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment, there are some historically rooted exceptions. First, the government may generally restrict the time, place, or manner of speech, if the restrictions are unrelated to what the speech says and leave people with enough alternative ways of expressing their views. Thus, for instance, the government may restrict the use of loudspeakers in residential areas at night, limit all demonstrations that block traffic, or ban all picketing of people’s homes.
Second, a few narrow categories of speech are not protected from government restrictions. The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats. As the Supreme Court held in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the government may forbid “incitement”—speech “directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action” and “likely to incite or produce such action” (such as a speech to a mob urging it to attack a nearby building). But speech urging action at some unspecified future time may not be forbidden.
Defamatory lies (which are called “libel” if written and “slander” if spoken), lying under oath, and fraud may also be punished. In some instances, even negligent factual errors may lead to lawsuits. Such exceptions, however, extend only to factual falsehoods; expression of opinion may not be punished even if the opinion is broadly seen as morally wrong.
\\So many political cultures, from various configurations of White Identity/ White nationalism/ white supremacy, racist white militias, Black nationalism, Christian evangelicals, Women’s rights, LGBTQ rights, Native American issues, environmental groups, The Russian subsidized NRA and gun culture to name a few.
Well... I deem it as natural thing... for democratic country.
Clearly not "one size to suit em all" as in totalitarian ones.
\\A particularly anti-democratic political culture is the refusal to compromise by Republicans. They want absolute minority rule that favors the rich, corporations and white identity. They actively try to suppress Black representation in Congress.
Whatever.
Do you really think that people in other countries DO NOT have it -- political forces holding knifes at each other throats???? Using steamed pepper hot rethoric? Not attempting in all kinds of tricks and jinks and unloading tons of verbal feces and 'compromat' at each other? Calling each other 'enemies of the state'? And etc, etc, etc... ad infinitum and ad nausiem.
\\The practices today are voter suppression and what is called "systemic racism". An example is how Blacks are stopped by police for no reason far more than whites. The Republican Right denies systemic racism exists. In fact they now say WHITE people are the "real victims" of racism. Sort of like Hitler said Aryans were the victims of Jews.
That is... you inner political problems.
I, as foreigner, hardly are qualified to judge upon.
And... by my own principles -- I deem it irresponsible and indecent thing to do.
Well... it can be a crime too AKA "intrusion into voting".
\\The first country to fully outlaw slavery was France in 1315. It took the US until 1865.In the United States, all the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804.
Because of sound economical and demographical reasons, I presume.
\\Yes, Trump is a certified candidate for the Republican nomination. He's running to gain presidential immunity to prosecution and for personal power. And he is a huge fan of Putin.
Well.
O.K.
I agree to promote him to the level of importance and danger of nasty hiccup. :-)
They say that it can initiate a heart attack even.
But what about my case of real nasty poison spreading through bloodstream??? Radioactive poison, even. If it will not be eradicated. Not with therapy measures, but with surgery.
While for now it was treated with "let it heel by itself... somehow".
\\I think I explained how they use the racist and outrageous "democrat plantation" trope that you came close to saying.
\\I don't think you meant it that way.
Yes.
Resemblance cannot be any other but accidental.
Because I even dunno what it could mean.
\\“Some people say things in the U.S. are so far off track that we need a president willing to break some rules and laws to set things right, while others say the president should always follow the rules and laws. Which comes closest to your view?”
Well... laws -- are rules devised by people.
And people... humane errare est.
...if the restrictions are unrelated to what the speech says and leave people with enough alternative ways of expressing their views.
Obviously... it cannot relate to Freedom of Speech in a political process.
Because... as I know it from that same examples in autocratic becoming totalitarian Turkey, China, Russia... and many more other countries, in Europe and around the World.
That is EXACT method used to THWART political dissent -- with "you may talk... whatever you want... but only there where LOTS of people will not hear your voice".
Like in prison cage.
\\speech “directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action”
\\But speech urging action at some unspecified future time may not be forbidden.
Especially... in respect to some changes in state politics and protection of Human Rights.
Otherwise, things like your Movement for the Rights of Blacks would not be possible...
isn't it?
Black armbands. Absolutely!
With I Hate Trump and the GOP emblazoned in red bold letters.
Now there is an idea worth doing!
Foreigner,
The original point of free speech protections in our Constitution's Bill of Rights is to speak to power.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I agree to promote him to the level of importance and danger of nasty hiccup. :-)
I wish. His insurrectionist mob was ready to KILL for Trump. One stupid woman was shot dead for believing his lies and ignoring police warnings. There are countless other fanatics willing to kill and die for Trump. Even if he isn't president again, I think the threat of Trumpist fascism will be with us for years.
But what about my case of real nasty poison spreading through bloodstream???
You mean Putin's threats to use nuclear weapons? Very dire. He could be bluffing too, but cannot be trusted. Maybe Ukraine should have kept their nukes and joined NATO.
\\I wish. His insurrectionist mob was ready to KILL for Trump.
Putin's 'mobiks' ALREADY killing... people in Ukraine, in Syria... alongside with Erdogan's troopers.
and Xi supplying em with ammo.
Americans too... of those brave ones, who decided to go to Ukraine to fight for the Freedom.
As it was in WW1&2. Lafayettes. Interbrigades.
\\You mean Putin's threats to use nuclear weapons?
As much as USA allowing him.
You know -- Europe DO NOT have Nuclear Umbrella. Because it is impossible for such tightly packed continent.
So... if USA will derelict its duty... burrishly flamboyant as Trump... or quietly self-excusing (remember Afghanistan retreat?) as current administration.
Whole Europe will fall in hands of Putin... NO, Putin and Xi.
Where Putin will be ruling over em as a whip of horrendous threat of Nuclear Holocaust.
While Xi will be sleaziness his way into European politics as sweetest candy distributor -- riches of China Market.
What it would mean to USA??? Easy to see, but it seems that perspective is SO horrible, that USAians still instinctively turning blind eye to it. Wholeheartedly.
And that is... VERY unsettling.
As I do not believe either Putin or Xi, or them both to be benevolent rulers of the World...
Americans are being "dumbed down" by the power establishment. Education is attacked as communism/socialism. Of course the words won't even be defined by those who use them. They want people to think Sweden is no different than Stalinist or Putin's Russia.
Meanings have been twisted beyond recognition and deliberately so, I think. This is why communists like to call themselves socialists, and American fascist call Hitler's fascist Nazis socialists.
They will never even say "democratic socialism".
The horror is Trump's cult would kill fellow Americans and be loyal to Putin because Trump loves him. Trump is the most isolationist president.
He wants to eradicate NATO and trade agreements that bind the international community.
Yes, all of this is unsettling. The future has never been secure and danger always present, sadly.
There is no modern day benevolent totalitarian ruler. None. It's about power and absolute control over every sovereign life. It's what Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Trump, (in fact all MAGA turds), Putin, Xi, and all the rest have ALWAYS wanted. Total Complete Control over every aspect of your life.
Well, they can go screw themselves. Asshats each and everyone if them. Not worth a bucket of spit.
The future has never been more insecure than it is right now. And the MAGA Turds and the reactionary gop with their facist cons are fully responsible for it. Completely. Asshats eveyone.
\\The future has never been more insecure than it is right now. And the MAGA Turds and the reactionary gop with their facist cons are fully responsible for it. Completely. Asshats eveyone.
Matthew 7:3-5 NIV - “Why do you look at the speck of
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You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
\\They want people to think Sweden is no different than Stalinist or Putin's Russia.
Just after quick googling.
Why Sweden Isn't an Example of Socialism
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In the 1970s, Sweden decide that it was time for a major shift to larger government, higher taxes, and bigger social benefits. While the ...
a step by step guide to the Swedish socialist model
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J SIGNORE · 2017 — The goal of the paper is to learn what democratic socialism is and to discuss the history of the Swedish Social Democratic Party (SAP), what their model...
Debunking the Myth of Swedish Socialism—Again
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The lesson Swedes took from the 1970s was that you can have a big government or you can make the rich pay for it all, but you can't have both.
The Mirage of Swedish Socialism: The Economic History ...
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They deregulated the economy, reduced taxes, shrank government, and introduced a set of fiscal rules that has reduced public debt substantially.
And well... Sweden is much more unified demographically. Have rich profits from oil and gas to distribute. And LONG history of development of capitalism.
Why you not refer to Emirates and other such petro-monarchies??? They ALSO have "socialism" that way.
Well. Ough. Sweden are Monarchy TOO.
Maybe THAT is the reason? And not phony claim of em being "socialistic"? :-)))))
\\and American fascist call Hitler's fascist Nazis socialists.
But... they was calling THEMSELF... national-SOCIALISTS.
And their policies was -- definitely socialistic -- providing government involvement into ALL and ANY personal matters: what children need to learn, how to be developing and their health protected, what males and females should do, and etc...
If that is NOT SOCIALISM... then WHAT????!!!
What you call "socialism" then???
\\They will never even say "democratic socialism".
In Soviet politics, democratic socialism is the version of the Soviet Union model reformed democratically. Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev described perestroika as building a "new, humane and democratic socialism." Consequently, some former communist parties have rebranded themselves as democratic socialists.
Democratic socialism - Wikipedia
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Foreigner,
Now you see what I mean about definitions being twisted.
Is dictatorial communist North Korea a Democratic Republic because they say it is?
No.
Hitler joined a small party that used "socialism" in its name. Hitler was a fascist, and nothing like a democratic socialist. Nazis didn't gain power by ideals of representative democracy, public services like healthcare and education. They HATED labor unions. It was about power, retribution, antisemitism, racism, militarism and a police state.
They outlawed reproductive freedom for women and homosexuality. Then their Holocaust proved to be the OPPOSITE of socialism. It's called GENOCIDE.
Communists call themselves socialists because it sounds less dictatorial. Dictatorship is not social democracy.
And that is key.
Dictators run dictatorships, NOT democratic socialistic societies.
Democracy is what defines democratic socialism. Public healthcare and public education and public utilities along with with other public services that support what we believe should be RIGHTS of the people to fair elections and representation, to the public good, to the general welfare.
In fact the US Constitution is democratic socialist in nature. It calls for democratic elections of leaders and peaceful transfer of power, with limits placed on govt. power in our Bill of Rights.
The US Constitution calls for taxes, regulation of commerce, and provision for the general welfare. ALL of this is called socialism or even communism by the American radical Right. They don't want to admit what is in our foundation of law.
Sweden has such elements of democratic socialism, no matter what right wing opinions say.
When Americans speak of democratic socialism we mean the ideals in our founding law and Declaration if Independence. Equality under law and a "more perfect union" were the ideals, and a path was made by allowing a process to amend the Constitution for those goals.
A lack of agreement on definitions of words is a large part of the problem. Communication and compromise break down when one side demonizes and defines the other to its propaganda message. This would be the authoritarian side that benefits from the twisting of terms.
Orwell covered this in "1984" with "newspeak" and the destruction of language.
Yes Dave, very aptly put. We are, and really always have been, a developing socialist democracy. Until recently when the facist right, on American Furher Donald Trump's cues, jumped to action on J6 2021 and attempted, by insurrection, to overturn the duly elected government of the USA. The SOB should be rotting in prison. But instead, contrary to our constitution, the bastard is being allowed to run and presumably do it AGAIN! Because we know Trump's lackeys on the scotus WILL authorize it.
Les,
Thanks.
I'm going use this as my next post.
The future has never been more insecure than it is right now. And the MAGA Turds and the reactionary gop with their facist cons are fully responsible for it.
Really, how so?
\\Is dictatorial communist North Korea a Democratic Republic because they say it is?
No.
HOW I, or anybody else can KNOW it????
If you DO NOT give definition DIFFERENT from theirs?
Do North Korea have people's control of their government, for example?
"Yes" -- they say, as there is parliament. And in that parliament not only some uptight politicians which representing rich capitalists present. But workers and peasants representatives.
What you can say to it? That that is a pretense?
But isn't that is the SAME pretense as that, that that high paid in expensive suits politicians of USA DO REPRESENT poor people of USA TOO???
\\...socialist democracy.
Hah... and now it SOCIALIST first.
And I ALREADY seen Dem-aligned people who spelled it "either democracy or law and order and prosperity".
How much time will be needed for it to slip into "SOCIALISM... or death(for all who against it)"???... as it was in all and every country that (over)stepped on that slippery slope...
Yawn.
\\Hitler joined a small party that used "socialism" in its name.
Not exactly true.
The early years of the Nazi Party
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In January 1919, Anton Drexler founded the German Workers' Party. This party was formed from a group who had previously met regularly to discuss political ...
On the 24 February 1920, the German Workers’ Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP), more commonly referred to as the Nazi Party.
...
On the 24 February 1920, Hitler announced the Nazi Party’s 25-point programme.
Well. Obviously that is source that are Dem aligned -- SEE, HOW CAREFULLY it all edited around -- to conceal that known historical fact -- that that was Hitler's idea, to call it national-SOCIALISTIC.
By deliberately SPLITTING and writing SAME fact in TWO places.
To make it look that renaming, and declaration of becoming Nazi (not national-SOCIALISM, again) -- is somehow not related.
Heh.
Socialist -- means liar!
It starts from that Marx's LIE of "labour theory of value".
\\They HATED labor unions. It was about power, retribution, antisemitism, racism, militarism and a police state.
Yes.
Totally socialistic... as I know it from history.
Of USSR... with it's Great *SOCIALISTIC* Revolution.
Was there labor unions? In Soviet Union? How do you think???
Mao's socialism in China.
and whole bunch of such similar socialistic revolutions all around the world.
Well... you can say that they "spoiled" that holy name of socialism.
But.
There was NO OTHER socialism in that time. There was NO socialistic country, that showed exemplar socialism values.
And most of countries even have had very little... to be called democratic, by modern standards.
So.
That is ONLY TRUE "socialism" -- that bloody bath of revolutions and civil wars -- THAT is the TRUE socialism.
25 Points of the Nazi Party
Virginia Holocaust Museum
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The Party Program of the NSDAP was proclaimed on the 24 February 1920 by Adolf Hitler at the first large Party gathering in Munich and since that day has ...
\\1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.
Right of self-determination? Who can be against it?
\\2.We demand equality of rights for the German peoplein respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
Equality of rights -- isn't that is a great thing?
\\7.We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens....
Oh... isn't it great too. And up to socialistic ideals?
\\9.All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
Damn socialistic, isn't it?
\\10.The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all.
\\11.Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
\\13.We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
\\14.We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
\\15.We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
\\16.We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
Socialism, socialism, socialism...
it all screaming of socialism.
Foreigner, have a nice day. You seem stressed.
Temperature rising?
Grab a cold one.
Not happy?
There's always Russia or any one of many to chose from.
Long live democratic socialism. Not cult worship towards a dictatorial asshat.
\\Historical fact? Whose historical "fact"? Yours?
Jewish ones.
Or you are ready to show itself anti-semite too?
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On September 16. 1919, he entered the Party (which had approximately forty members), soon changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP), and imposed himself as its Chairman by July 1921.
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https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/adolf-hitler
Foreigner,
Let's try to agree on definitions of terms. Two things. Socialism and democratic socialism are not the same.
Every country has some kind of socialized system or services. Police and fire departments are socialized government services. It isn't capitalism. And it isn't communism.
\\Is dictatorial communist North Korea a Democratic Republic because they say it is?
No.
HOW I, or anybody else can KNOW it????
The definitions of democracy and republic DO NOT include a dynasty of unelected dictators.
If Maoism and Stalinism are socialism, then it is a failure. But we call it communism. Neither had anything to do with constitutional rights and a free press under democratic socialism.
We’re trying to define terms that make rational sense.
”every country that (over)stepped on that slippery slope...”
You mean communist dictatorships? Still not constitutional democratic socialism.
Good. You understand Hitler was a liar, tyrant and war-monger. National Socialism was NEVER democratic.
There’s a reason why the term “democratic socialism” is used. It is founded on constitutional freedoms, fair elections of representatives, and human/minority rights along with government responsibility to the people.
If we equate democratic socialism with BOTH Hitler’s Nazi rule and Stalin’s communist dictatorship, then there really is no rational discussion without agreement or clarity on terms. This is why the American fascists equate the two. It is fear-mongering, not rational discourse.
Let’s get back to constitutional democratic socialism with free elections, individual rights, public education and healthcare, without state ownership of all property and business that is the basis of communism.
Protection of minority rights is also an important feature of democratic socialism. This has NEVER been the case in the failures you mentioned.
And yes, rich capitalists have always been more represented than the public in general. Seems to the universal flaw in all governments. The same old “golden rule’ that those with the gold rule.
Unrestricted capitalism is tyranny by economic royalists. Communist tyranny is ANTI-DEMOCRATIC dictatorship. DEMOCRATIC socialism is between these extremes.
A mixed economy that combines elements of both capitalism and democratic socialism HAS worked. It can be measured in the peoples' response to surveys on happiness.
Happiest Countries in the World 2023
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
\\Let's try to agree on definitions of terms. Two things. Socialism and democratic socialism are not the same.
As far as any two words are not the same... because consist of differ set of letters.
For the very least.
It's moot point.
\\Every country has some kind of socialized system or services. Police and fire departments are socialized government services.
Police -- that is protectors of "stationary bandit".
Case of J6 confirmed it with a vengeance too.
that that is the case in USA too.
\\The definitions of democracy and republic DO NOT include a dynasty of unelected dictators.
Same as in Sweden? ;-)
Know you that "bipedal, without feathers", aren't' you?
\\If Maoism and Stalinism are socialism, then it is a failure. But we call it communism. Neither had anything to do with constitutional rights and a free press under democratic socialism.
I deem it as continuum.
Even in USSR there was something called laws. And "representatives of the people" too. And that same socialistic health care and etc.
HOW you can distinguish it as "failure of socialism"... when it showed EXAMPLAR features of Socialism, ahh???
I dunno.
And see it possible only through "Not true Scotsman" application.
\\Good. You understand Hitler was a liar, tyrant and war-monger. National Socialism was NEVER democratic.
Like he lied about anything.
As I showed -- it all in his that 25 bullet points programme.
He wanted democracy... but only for Germans.
And go say that you want socialism... not only for USAians? ;-)
\\There’s a reason why the term “democratic socialism” is used. It is founded on constitutional freedoms, fair elections of representatives, and human/minority rights along with government responsibility to the people.
Again.
It is continuum.
In constant state of changes...
And no suprise, the USA does not even make it in the top 10 happiest countries. Or even the freest. But i suppose that makes sense since the two would seem to go hand in hand.
Conservative authoritarianism on the rise will only result in us being less free and certainly much unhappier. Just what the MAGA's welcome. In their ignorance.
He (Hitler) wanted democracy... but only for Germans."
??? Maybe you don't know as much as you think you know. It was a one-party dictatorship. Hitler voted himself out of office with a pistol.
"If Maoism and Stalinism are socialism, then it is a failure. But we call it communism. Neither had anything to do with constitutional rights and a free press under democratic socialism."
I deem it as continuum. Even in USSR there was something called laws. And "representatives of the people" too. And that same socialistic health care and etc. HOW you can distinguish it as "failure of socialism"... when it showed EXAMPLAR features of Socialism, ahh???
Not democratic socialism but single party COMMUNIST dictatorship. The USSSR was a failed communist one party state.
My question is why do you avoid calling USSR Stalinism and Chinese Maoism communism?
Is there no such thing as communism, or are all socialized health, education and public services communism too? Are Sweden Denmark and Finland communist countries? Are their systems of constitutional social democracy really communism?
Are you saying Sweden is a communist country that has a dynasty of dictators because they have royalty? Or maybe you are not understanding words I am using.
So far you are proving my point that without agreement on definitions of words there is no rational discussion of the issue. Just argument over what words mean, or in your case, not even referring to USSR, China and N. Korea as communist.
What distinguishes them as socialist but NOT communist in your reasoning?
Communism could also be costructed so as to insure the civil and indidividual rights of its citizenry. Which is what Karl Marx in reality envisioned for Marxism or communism. It was Lenin and Stalin that moved the ideology down the authoritarian dictatorship model that Putin still operates today. The truth is Karl Marx despised authoritarianism. The west, in particular the USA and England, drove the lie about Karl Marx.
\\??? Maybe you don't know as much as you think you know. It was a one-party dictatorship. Hitler voted himself out of office with a pistol.
Yet... he declared elimination of that nasty-nasty-bad capitalists... in that 25-bulletpoints programme. ;-)
Would YOU... hesitate to use pistol... like to prevent MAGAt Trump becoming POTUS???
\\Not democratic socialism but single party COMMUNIST dictatorship. The USSSR was a failed communist one party state.
Because... otherwise that nasty-nasty-bad "capitalists and corrupt politicians" would turn it back from socialism -- would took back that wellfare and free healthcare, and etc...
So... they was FORCED to do that... to not allow such as Trump to destroy that socialistic paradise.
\\My question is why do you avoid calling USSR Stalinism and Chinese Maoism communism?
Because.
Isn't USSR is for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
And I don't know Mandarin... to know what term they use. But, somehow I am sure that they not call it "communism"... that's it, with Latin letters. Because they use hieroglyphs. ;-)
Means... I just prefer to use CORRECT historical names. As they called themself.
Instead of sticking arbitrary politically-charged labels to them. Like concealing national-SOCIALISTS of Germany behind deceptive shortcut "nazis".
Isn't that is obvious?
And I have had explained it properly previously.
And that is just another trick of yours.
What for???
\\Is there no such thing as communism, or are all socialized health, education and public services communism too? Are Sweden Denmark and Finland communist countries? Are their systems of constitutional social democracy really communism?
Dunno.
You say.
You using that term "communism". Though there was no country in history that was calling itself that way. "Communism" if I recall it correctly -- that was just a Goal, for a some distant future. Ultimate result of development of Socialism.
\\Are you saying Sweden is a communist country that has a dynasty of dictators because they have royalty? Or maybe you are not understanding words I am using.
And monarchy... that is NOT dynasty of dictators??? Hmmm... that's a big news for me.
So what, that thing that they have blessing from Gawd, allowing em to rule over people, without any restraints -- is real deal?
That is strange logic... if you permit, to see from someone who use word Socialism.
So what... maybe you support idea of socialism... with royalty??? :-)
\\So far you are proving my point that without agreement on definitions of words there is no rational discussion of the issue.
As far as you omit definitions -- to what real world facts your terms refer too.
And only demand em being used like a Holy Scripture -- your way, or the highway.
Yes.
This makes discussion impossible.
Because it's impossible to discuss things when *examination* of words used being adequate references to Reality... prohibited. With a zeal.
"You using that term "communism". Though there was no country in history that was calling itself that way. "Communism" if I recall it correctly -- that was just a Goal, for a some distant future. Ultimate result of development of Socialism."
Both the USSR and China had COMMUNIST PARTIES with ONE-PARTY RULE by dictatorship.
And you tell me that is the same as democratic socialism. Thank you for your disrespect and distractions.
I think we have come to an end of this attempt at rational discussion.
\\And you tell me that is the same as democratic socialism.
No. I don't.
That is just another of usual tricks of socialists... to thwart discussion.
In Soviet Union they was declaring people dissenting from "bright future of socialism/communism" crazy and put em into asylums.
Because "it's not possible for a sane people to NOT believe in Socialism".
You. Nothing different.
\\I think we have come to an end of this attempt at rational discussion.
It was one-sided... anyway.
Just as each and every time in talk with lefty zealot.
Yawn.
Your willful ignorance is revolting Foreigner.
Dave, Foreigner is FJ, Joe Con, or Thersites. An ignorant anti democracy pro authoritarian sheeple of MAGA and its filthy American Furher wannabe.
Les,
"Lefty zealot".
And thus rational conversation and clear communication are killed on the spot.
Sounds like a fascist's accusation, doesn't it? Maybe he's a Trump and Putin fan, or are they too "democratic socialist" for him as well?
Deflections and name-calling are so much easier than an exchange of ideas and rational discourse.
Foreigner is probably not FJ et al.
He certainly has a lot in common with him, though.
The willfully ignorant, which thoroughly defines Foreigner, aka FJ, Joe Con, Thersites, will always view those with intelligence and integrity who disagree with them as zealots. What they fail to realize is they are the actual zealots. Not everyone is as gullible as the MAGA's.
Perhaps not. If i were a betting man i'd lay odds Foreigner is.
\\ Blogger Les Carpenter said...
\\ Your willful ignorance is revolting Foreigner.
Can you state it clearly -- what ignorance???
What *I* ignore HERE??? Almost a century of living in "socialistic paradise" -- from East Germany and to the East. Gestapo/Stazi. Gulag. Asylums for dissenters. And poor half-hungry life for everyone else.
Living, about which you as USAian are UTTERLY ignorant. And STILL trying to promote as something good.
\\ Blogger Dave Dubya said...
\\ Les,
\\ "Lefty zealot".
\\ And thus rational conversation and clear communication are killed on the spot.
Yes.
By you.
With your miserly censuring out NOT convenient for you comments from opposing side.
And with your refusal to discuss definitions... on the base of Historical Facts.
Yawn.
You can continue pretend that there was ANY intellectual honesty in what you do. And you will find whole choir of fellow lefty zealots to back your claim.
But... we both will know that Truth... even if you will censure out this my comment TOO. :-)
\\Deflections and name-calling are so much easier than an exchange of ideas and rational discourse.
Yep.
What YOU started here.
Remember?
"You sound like a Trump supporter"
What that is? If not sticking politically charged label?
Yawn and fart walking away from the utter nonsense of Foreigner. aka FJ.
Predictable.
Ignorant fool cannot explain its own foolish babbling.
Looks like Dave is tired of spouting his own bull shit. Hope he isn't sick
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