As often happens, my
response to a couple comments under the previous post expanded into a post in
itself. It's only proper to question claims as serious as "failed state" and "police state". Further discussion was indeed warranted, and is still welcomed.
Let’s present the content here instead of in a long thread.
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Tyrell (TP):
From
failed state to police state, huh? I don't think so, my friend.
While leftists have done what they could to either ignore or undermine our constitution (yes, some militant right-wingers are also guilty), America is still not a failed state. Even for Americans of color, there is more prosperity, opportunities, and freedom in America than nearly anywhere else in the world.
Further, if the Democrats were to recapture the White House and both chambers of congress, this would not become a police state either, since the Democrats are seemingly bound and determined to eliminate the police in most major metropolitan areas. That, of course, is another knee-jerk reaction, the ramifications of which has not evidently occurred to these brilliant leaders of ours.
While leftists have done what they could to either ignore or undermine our constitution (yes, some militant right-wingers are also guilty), America is still not a failed state. Even for Americans of color, there is more prosperity, opportunities, and freedom in America than nearly anywhere else in the world.
Further, if the Democrats were to recapture the White House and both chambers of congress, this would not become a police state either, since the Democrats are seemingly bound and determined to eliminate the police in most major metropolitan areas. That, of course, is another knee-jerk reaction, the ramifications of which has not evidently occurred to these brilliant leaders of ours.
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TB3:
Oh,
I'm waiting with bated breath on a further elaboration on how
"leftists" ignore or undermine the Constitution AS WELL as
reconciling the ongoing demonstrations with the phrase "Even for Americans
of color, there is more prosperity, opportunities, and freedom in America', TP.
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I thank the gentlemen for their remarks.
It’s
always revealing that our conservative friends are so reluctant to cite any of
my points or opinions offered, and provide facts or information that
contradicts them.
I
suppose they think just stating their beliefs accomplishes that.
I,
too, would love to see further elaboration, and of course evidence, to support
TP’s assertions. Historically the pattern would indicate none will be
forthcoming.
I
don’t know how any “leftists” ignore or undermine the Constitution, since they
wield very little power to do so. Maybe this is a red herring to deflect from
the blatant abuses of our Constitution by the Republican Party and Donald
Trump?
Remember
when Moscow Mitch refused to follow the Constitution and hold a vote for a
Supreme Court Justice nominated by the Black President? Remember how we used to have
Constitutional checks and balances, and administrations would comply with
oversight and obey lawful Congressional subpoenas? Remember how Constitutional
impeachment trials would allow for actual evidence and testimony?
Rightists
love to deflect form these horrible abuses of our Constitution.
The
Republican Party has become a gutless cult, serving their criminal and corrupt
racist leader. Rep. Justin Amash alone had the moral decency to leave the Republican Party. Mitt Romney was the only Republican In DC with a conscience to
vote Trump guilty of his criminal attempts to bribe and blackmail a foreign
leader to help win his upcoming election. (Article 2, Sec. 4) That doesn’t bother them
any more than Trump’s criminal payoff to a porn star.
It
seems "Constitutional conservative" has become an oxymoron.
Remember
the First Amendment provisions for a free press? Totally demonized by the
Tangerine Tyrant for not kissing his ring. Remember the First Amendment “right
of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a
redress of grievances”?
We
have numerous videos of cops gassing and clubbing peaceful protesters, for protesting police violence. Like a
police state.
We
have a president who said, “I will fight to protect you. I am your President of
law and order, and an ally of all peaceful protesters." Minutes earlier it
was as if he ordered: "OK, Barr. Smash and gas those peaceful protesters so I can have
my Bible photo-op." This is exactly the behavior of a dictator's failed state, verging on a police state.
Even
high ranking former Trump officials and other military leaders have called out his lawlessness.
Retired Air Force Generals Mark Volcheff and Richard Myers, Admirals Mullen and McRaven, Army and Marine Generals Powell, Kelly and Mattis were just a few of those senior military men outraged by this flagrant and
criminal violation of our Constitution.
But,
I am open to hearing evidence on how “leftists” are the guilty ones.
I
would concede the terms “failed state” and “police state” do not generally
apply to wealthy white Americans. They are doing swell. After all, they
comprise almost all the economic elites served by a bought and paid for
Congress and White House sympathetic to the rich over everyone else.
We
are a failed state when it comes to our founders’ ideal of consent of the
governed as stated in the Declaration of Independence. We are certainly a
failed state if the standard is equal justice under law. Only privileged and
rural whites still believe this myth. Voter rights and registration depend on
Republican leniency and what color your neighbors are. Republicans, in their
open war on democracy, shut down the League of Women Voters from helping with
registration. Qualified voters have been purged from rolls. Poll access is
another unequal proposition.
Note
that I am not including voter ID to counter wildly inflated claims and blatant
lies of voter impersonation. Major election fraud has recently been the domain
of Republicans. Trump’s taxpayer funded witch hunt for “millions of illegals
voting” came up empty.
The
Electoral College is a vestige of slave state demands. It is antithetical to
representative democracy. The same is truth for the imbalance of representation
and power in the Senate. These are direct and intentional impediments to the
consent of the governed. The fact is our country was founded by wealthy white
men, many being slave owners. Women and African Americans waited over a hundred
years for the right to vote. Now we have an authoritarian political party
working to reduce the number of voters and their access to their right to vote.
Republicans
would prefer Americans standing in line, risking death and disease in a
pandemic, rather than allow mail-in ballots.
So
yes, the state has failed, and is actively failing, its citizens regarding
voter rights and fair elections. The state has failed, and is actively failing,
policing the police and providing equal justice under law.
Racial
profiling and a long history of police brutality against minorities indicates
another characteristic of a failed state. “Qualified immunity” is a concept
that protects abusers in law enforcement and is antithetical to justice.
Unaccountable police violence is a characteristic of a police state. Tyrell
might even agree with this point.
And
I agree that Americans of color have “more prosperity, opportunities, and
freedom in America than nearly anywhere else in the world.”
The
qualifier I would add is “generally” people of color having more prosperity,
opportunities, and freedom than “nearly anywhere else”. The last qualifier is
important. People of color have opportunities, better health care and better education in other countries.
We certainly have nothing approaching equal opportunity in this country.
We certainly have nothing approaching equal opportunity in this country.
Also
“driving while black” is one of the freedoms that still eludes many, if not
most, African Americans. Anyone who dismisses their real fear of racist cops is
uninformed or willfully ignorant.
Trump and Sessions gutted federal measures for police accountability.They drastically limited abilities of federal officials to use court-enforced deals to require reforms at police departments.
Trump and Sessions gutted federal measures for police accountability.They drastically limited abilities of federal officials to use court-enforced deals to require reforms at police departments.
I
would also love to see evidence that “Democrats are seemingly bound and
determined to eliminate the police in most major metropolitan areas.”
Reform is not removal, and the Right stands firmly opposed to reform.
Reform is not removal, and the Right stands firmly opposed to reform.
It’s
interesting that the Right sees a protester’s “defund the police” sign and
assumes it is the Democratic Party platform to eliminate police. Nowhere have I
seen a sign demanding “Eliminate the police”. Could that be the real “knee jerk
reaction” projected upon Democrats?
This
isn’t unusual, since the Right sees things that are not there. They see commies
under progressive beds and the Devil between their sheets.