The Great American Tragedy proclaimed:
"At what point does America get demeaned? At what point do they start laughing at us as a country? We want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. We don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore, and they won't be. They won't be. I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."
Hmm...Seems Pittsburgh feels differently.
This is from Australia's The Age.
"At what point does America get demeaned? At what point do they start laughing at us as a country? We want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. We don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore, and they won't be. They won't be. I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."
Hmm...Seems Pittsburgh feels differently.
Mayor Peduto said, "The city of Pittsburgh voted for
Hillary Clinton with nearly 80% of the vote".
80%. Musta been all those illegals voting for Hillary, no doubt.
This is from Australia's The Age.
Something tells me they’re not laughing at “us” at all.
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Arch,
Thanks for the hate and nonsense, but this is no longer the "This Is Your Brain On Con-servatism" thread.
Radical Islam? Like ISIS? Bad dudes.
Thank George W. Bush for his war-based-on-lies-for-crony-profit-and-political-gain-that-spawned-ISIS.
You probably thought it was a great idea back then, retaliating against a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.
I bet you also didn't know catastrophic drought in Syria, a product of climate change, is a contributing factor to ISIS being there.
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it, Arch?
How else can you hate and blame liberals so much?
Dave Dubya: "How else can you hate and blame liberals so much?"
Chuck hates us for our understanding and intelligence. He hates us because we're truth-seekers; he is not. He hates us for our compassion for the downtrodden and poor, when he has none. He hates us for our quest and thirst for equality for all people of color, all creeds and all religions, when he reserves those virtues for only a select few. He hates us for pointing out the sins of our forefathers; the slavery and genocide that this nation was built upon, and he hates us for defending democracy against the corruption of the corporate-state and the creeping and insidious fascism that the Trump administration now openly represents.
He hates us because we represent human values.
JG,
The arrogant entitled bunch of assholes believe they are better than everyone else.
One more Trumpist scum:
Man in MAGA hat thrown off plane to chants of ‘lock him up’
Apparently, the man plopped himself down in a seat and demanded that the seats next to him remain empty because he did not receive a first-class upgrade, according to an account of events on Facebook by passenger Clark Gredoña. The 14-hour, 50-minute flight was headed to Newark Airport in New Jersey. Gredoña wrote: “Already delayed an hour coming out of Shanghai to EWR when an older man in my row with a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat decides to make a ruckus and delay everybody else. He insists that, because he couldn't get an upgrade, he's entitled to all three seats next to him even though they're assigned to somebody else.”
As the man was ushered off, he allegedly called one female passenger “Hillary" and also referred to her as “lesbian.” Other passengers began to yell at the man in both Chinese and English, according to Gredoña. Then passengers shouted, “Lock him up,” a paraphrase of the chant made famous by the Trump campaign about his running mate Hillary Clinton.
At one point, the video shows the man leaning back, his feet up on an armrest and his hands clasped behind his MAGA hat, while a woman with crutches stood in the aisle unable to get to her seat. Zimmerman said she heard the man say, “I know people don’t like my hat.”
Dave, I envision Chuck as being the Trump dickhead on the United flight who caused the problem. What you described and linked to is indicative of the narcissistic and pathological mindset of the typical Trump supporter. After all, it's all about them.
Yes, they're assholes for sure. "Make America Grate Again"...
On this day, 73 years ago, this nation took a bold and united front to thwart the further advancement of fascism in Europe. I say it's time to denounce and push back the latest advancement with this message on a cap or t-shirt and wear it everywhere we go.
Celebrating a second June 6th attack against fascist totalitarianism starts today...
JG,
Speaking of messages, I just saw a car with a paw print sticker reading, "My Cat Is Smarter Than The President". Every bit of resistance counts.
Orwell noted, "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act".
The war against fascism is as unending as the "war on terror", but Fascism is more insidious.
Fascism may be difficult to define to universal satisfaction, but we know it when we see it.
Orwell also said, "Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come."
And there we have Republicans, Trump, and his cult defined.
They are fascists. Right down to their war on a free press with their demonizing "Lügenpresse”, and now the openly cheered physical assault on a journalist.
Not telling, you I'm asking if you do disavow Antifa....another example of you putting words into the mouths of others then holding them responsible for what you said.
As far looking things up for you, I stopped doing that when every source I provided you you labeled as racist, fascist or right wing.
Stay stupid and in the dark, based on your posts, it must be where you feel most the comfortable.
Major,
Thank you for your request.
In your efforts to indoctrinate, I mean, "educate" TP, I see you posted a climate change denier named Bill Whittle contradicting scientist Bill Nye.
Whittle was forced to drop out of college when he did not maintain the required GPA.
Yeah, maybe he's not a fascist or a racist, but he is right wing, isn't he? And apparently that is all that is required to become an "expert" on the far Right.
I disavow violence. If an antifa is violent, I disavow him.
Do you disavow Republican thugs who assault journalists?
What's Bill Nye's degree in?
What part of Bill Whittle's presentation did you disagree with? Let's have an honest debate here. Where did he fall short in the area of science?
"IF an antifa is violent". IF, what rock have you been living under?
You reacted just as said you would.
Major,
There you go again.
Nye has a degree in mechanical engineering from Cornell. He also has six honorary doctorate degrees, including Ph.D.s in science from Goucher College and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.
While at Boeing, he invented a hydraulic resonance suppressor tube used on 747 airplanes.
Now tell us how much smarter you and Whittle are, if you please.
You didn't answer my question and demanded more answers from me. How predictable.
In the spirit of decency, I will answer one more or yours.
What part of Bill Whittle's presentation did you disagree with?
All of it. He's an ignorant asshole.
From the source of his NOAA "chart".
Is sea level rising?
Yes, sea level is rising at an increasing rate.
Whittle forgot to mention that part, didn't he?
Got some fake news with your fake science?
Well so much for a reasonable dialog with you.
Liberals are so closed minded.
Major,
You finally answered a question.
"Got some fake news with your fake science?"
Liberals are so closed minded.
Thank you. And we all know crickets speak the answer to this question:
"Do you disavow Republican thugs who assault journalists?"
But we did learn how con-servatives invite "reasonable dialog", didn't we?
Stay stupid and in the dark...so much for a reasonable dialog
LOL!
Priceless!
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Well so much for a reasonable dialog with you."
What wasn't "reasonable" about it?...that Dave answered all of your questions, truthfully, but you didn't answer his? So that's your definition of unreasonableness?
Moreover, Dave stuffed all your idiotic alternative facts down your throat. Is that what makes liberals "closed-minded" in your hate-filled psychotic world?
Loser.
It will be great watching you two eat crow, LOL.
After 8 years of BS from Obama only you would know what BS tastes like.
90% of the worlds ice is in Antarctica. "NASA satellites show that the glaciers are growing. According to an article in the scientific journal Principia Scientific International, "A new NASA study, released on Friday, admits that ice is accumulating in Antarctica. Satellite measurements show an 82-112 gigaton-a-year net ice gain. That's 82-112 billion tons per year! Nine zeroes! In other words that is 112,000,000,000 tons.
Per year." Alicia Colon. The more ice the less liquid water.
"Who to believe --- a divinity school dropout, who has no scientific background, a man who came up with a way to make billions from the gullible or real NASA satellite data?"
"According to Dr. Judith Crockford, a professor of zoology in B.C. and one of the leading polar bear experts, "This is the truth the world needs to hear: the experts were wrong. Polar bears have not been driven to the brink of extinction by climate change, they are thriving."
Michael Crichton in the appendix novel warns why politicized science is dangerous. He wrote, "Imagine that there is a new scientific theory that warns of an impending crisis, and points to a way out. This theory quickly draws support from leading scientists, politicians and celebrities from around the world. Research is funded by distinguished philanthropies and carried out at prestigious universities. The crisis is reported frequently in the media. The science is taught in college and high school classrooms."
To quote you and JG, follow the money, who is benefiting from the green industry? Why are EVIL corporations pulling for the Paris Accord even if it hurts American taxpayers? Were they planning to make money selling our technological advances? Isn't it really all about money and not the planet?
If you really viewed Whittle's short video, you would see how little in the past 300 years our climate has change in comparison to the planets history. You would see that
current climate conditions are far from the past extremes in the earth's history.
Man caused climate change is politicized science.
Period.
That pile of BS will be enough. You are what you eat, Major.
Sea levels are rising. Period. Temperatures are warming. Period. Greenhouse gasses have a warming effect. Period.
Yes, Follow the money.
Follow the far Right/Koch/oil money that lines the pockets of climate change deniers.
'Nuff said.
Talk about closed minded, sheesh!!
Can't even entertain the thought that the climate is not being changed by mankind. The video shows the seas have been higher, temperatures have been higher and green house gases have been around and in larger amounts than currently and that all of this was before man and none of this ended life. In earth's history, current levels are no where near the highest ever recorded.
Follow the money of the Paris accord, $1 billion from the USA, to who and for what?
Give some examples to support "far Right/Koch/oil money that lines the pockets of climate change deniers" statement. Sounds like something off a bumper sticker on an old VW bus.
Still depending on some ignorant failed college dropout telling lies in a video? Figures.
Follow the money of the Paris accord, $1 billion from the USA, to who and for what?
Give some examples to support "far Right/Koch/oil money that lines the pockets of climate change deniers"
More demands from the one who also demanded I use google to answer a question.
Right. In a previous thread on this very blog TP demanded the same information about funding for deniers. I provided it. Then he ignored it. You would do the same. Cultists don't listen to anyone but their leaders. You cons prove that every day, by denying peer reviewed scientific consensus.
Demands from authoritarians will not be met. If you want to know, use google. I'm not your servant.
Like your Dear Leader, basic decency is not your forte.
Enough rudeness.
In fact YOU posted immediately after I corrected TP’s false assertion about climate denier sources he named. “There are plenty of scientists that disagree with AGW that are not on the payroll of fossil fuels, Dave.”
I posted the facts that provided the answer to your demand for examples. Immediately under those facts YOU commented, completely oblivious of what I said. Proof that it is waste of time answering authoritarian demands.
It’s all here, under “The Right’s War On Truth”.
It must be nice having no sense of shame in blissful willful ignorance
Sigh,, Dave did you complete college? Did you watch the video and see the sources that were provided, that were not the work of the of Bill Whittle's?
I think it is a hoot that you believe that no one has a right to hold you to your statements, that you can make claims and drift off into your bumper sticker mantra as exampled by “The Right’s War On Truth”. Come on Dave, wake up, follow the money, it's $1BILLION TAX dollars going were for what reason...Have you zero curiosity about this?
Or are you fully aware of what drives man caused climate change and that is politicized science and are ok with it because it supports your desire for a redistribution of America's wealth?
And in closing, I see you are still supporting the climate science that was launched by a Harvard sophomore, scholar who "earned" a D in Natural Sciences 6 in a course presciently named "Man's Place in Nature." Who at Vanderbilt DIVINTY school, took a course in theology and natural science. The assigned readings included the apocalyptic, and widely discredited "Limits to Growth," which formed much of the foundation for "Earth in the Balance." It is said that he failed to hand in his book report on time. Thus, his incomplete grade turned into an F, one of five Fs he received at divinity school.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Here is what is stupid. Arguing against science while offering zero facts. You said nothing. It is garbage and will be thrown out next time.
Even your beloved Pentagon takes climate change seriously. You support the troops, don't you?
If you do not address, or condemn, the Pentagon accepting climate change as real, your unpatriotic fact free BS will be deleted.
Bye.
Dave,
I offered plenty of evidence and facts, it is you who is so closed minded that you are blind.
The debate is, "is climate change man caused", by bringing up the Pentagon you are trying to weasel out of your losing stance. I'll check back later after you've had time to reread my posts where I've said MAN caused climate change. Maybe you'll even look at the video and the charts and time lines.
Nice try at deflection and the classic "I'm losing this argument" threat to delete me.. this from the non authoritarian liberal. LOL
You brought up no facts that support your denial. No scientific substantiation. Denial is not fact.
The debate is over. You are just whining. AND you just helped Putin by saying the Pentagon has a losing stance, Komrad Major.
Maybe you should move to Russia where your kind are more appreciated.
"move to Russia"
Is that the best you've got?
A very below average deflection attempt, akin to "why don't you move to Cuba"!
"You brought up no facts that support your denial."
Well how's this, man didn't cause the great climate changes of the past, (most recent example: ice age) changes that were greater than the changes today that man is being accused of causing.
There has been more CO2 particles per million in the atmosphere before man than now. What cause3d that to happen? Was life wiped out?
Are these facts enough for you? Remember the question is, "is man causing climate change", NOT is there climate change.
So your "facts" are about "Man didn't cause climate change before he existed"?
Sounds stupid and irrelevant to me.
You have accused the Pentagon of a "losing stance".
Time to eliminate that wasteful wrongheaded program?
So you agree climate change is real? Good.
Why?
No, what I am saying and have been saying is, the earth has had many, many, many climate changes. None of them in the past were cause by the actions of mankind, and the changes today that you and others believe are due to the actions of mankind, are no where near the size and scope of the changes in the past.
Therefore I believe that the current changes are not caused by mankind, that the current changes are not near the tipping point of ending life on earth, and as history shows us, the earth's climate changes all the time, regardless of what mankind does or doesn't do.
I do not believe Al Gore invented the internet, nor do I believe his academic record supports the current thought that he was the genius who uncover man caused climate change or as he originally called it, "global warming". His predictions have not happened. I believe Gore is the father of man caused climate change politicized science.
As to your statements about Pentagon, those are nothing more than a straw man, a weak, very weak way to argue your position. "This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or an understanding of both sides of the issue." Wikipedia.
Critical thinking Dave is what I'm trying to get you to do.
The Pentagon point is moot since you and I agree that climate change is real. Trump says it is a hoax. Congratulations on disagreeing with a liar and ignoramus. I'd buy you a beer for that point alone.
What is illogical is your position that since climate changed before humans, their present greenhouse gas emissions cannot be contributing to change now.
Nobody is saying "life on Earth will end" with higher temps. The facts are sea level will rise, weather patterns will alter, and more droughts will occur. Humans will suffer more if we do nothing, than if we did something, to reduce greenhouse gasses. The better prepared we are with renewable energy the better off more humans will be.
That seems to the part you cannot compute.
Who the Hell thinks Al Gore discovered the link between air pollution and climate change?
Where do you get this? Oh, never mind.
The point is Dave, the climate has always been changing, what makes anyone think man has anything to do with it is my question. (side note, and if the earth gets colder, the sea level will drop, how can man make it get colder?)
Let me ask this, which has the largest impact on earth's climate, the sun or man?
Can man control the sun? For the past several years the sun has had very few sun spots. Does this effect our climate, was this reduction in activity due to anything man has done?
We know that in the past there were higher levels of greenhouse gas than now. What caused that? What then caused the levels to drop? Man? The sun?
We know that north Africa was once not desert but quite lush and that man lived there. What caused the changed, the sun or man? We know that during the time of the ice ages man was around, what caused them to start and stop? Man or the sun?
Critical thinking Dave, requires one to ask, how does a polluted river cause climate change? Does is make the temp change to, hotter or colder?
(Side note, I'm not saying pollution is ok, I'm attempting to use critical thinking on how it could effect the climate.)
We know that the earth has had higher level of gas house gases and yet life still continued. If your concern is how livable would it be, dare I bring up early 70's when the fear was a man caused ice age? Do you believe the earth is more livable now or when there was no AC, and no use of elect, fuel oil, or gas? Would you care to return to that Little House on the Prairie life style? Be my guest, but leave me alone in my choice.
Look, I'm all for renewable energy as an option. But I am against the use of tax dollars to develop it, and then govt regulations requiring it's use. My sense of things is this is what the followers of man caused climate change politicized science really want. Increased govt control of our lives.
Critical thinking again, when man caused climate change first became in the news, what were the predictions? Have they come about? Why or why not?
What are the current man caused climate change predictions and when will they happen? Are they different, if so why, and what are time lines for them to occur? Are they longer or lesser than the original predictions? Why?
"Who the Hell thinks Al Gore discovered the link between air pollution and climate change?" Al Gore does, LOL.
"Who's Laughing Now"
We are still laughing from the Nov 8th election! Remember how the media said Trump would never win and the polls all showed Hillary winning?
Hillary cheated in the primaries by her and the DNC F*cking Bernie in the arse! The emails proved that, amirite?
Hillary cheated in Presidential debates by being fed questions in advance by Donna Brazille! The emails proved that, amirite?
We Trump supporters are all laughing at how foolish you demented liberals are throwing as much shit against the wall hoping it will stick.
HERE'S SOME NEWS ABOUT THE TRUMP RUSSIAN COLLUSION! THERE IS NONE! PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR PROGRESSIVE PUCKERHOLES!
Dave and JG thanks for laughs!
Major,
Look, I'm all for renewable energy as an option. (Have another beer on me)But I am against the use of tax dollars to develop it That makes sense...if you are also against our tax dollars making up for tax breaks and subsidies and sweetheart deals for fossil fuel corporations.
Critical thinking requires one to see climate changes, and our present rate of climate change is increasing. Can you apply that fact to your critical thinking?
Critical thinking again, when man caused climate change first became in the news, what were the predictions? Have they come about?
Yes. Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century. Average temperatures have risen, CO2 levels have gone up, coral reefs are bleaching, permafrost is thawing (releasing methane and more greenhouse gasses), glaciers have disappeared and shrunk...you know, observable reality.
Apply these facts to your critical thinking and get back to me.
Arch,
Enjoy your chortling. Just remember most Americans and the rest of the world are laughing at Trump.
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Remember the question is, 'is man causing climate change", NOT is there climate change."
As Dave said, Good! You're finally catching on! Climate change is real and it's happening. Up to this point you denied it in its totality.
The overwhelming majority of climate scientists say this increase in global temperatures coincides perfectly with the advent of the industrial revolution. Put another way, since humankind started extracting and burning fossil fuels on a societal and worldwide basis, average worldwide temperatures started rising. Worldwide temperatures rising equates to "climate change" -- or more specifically, "global warming". That's a pretty strong correlation that the increase in one (average global temperatures) is created by the other (an increase in heat-trapping gases such as CO2, etc.).
I realize you're skeptical of science and probably have a limited education in basic scientific principles and statistical analysis. Just because you don't believe in science, which you've already made abundantly clear to me, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does. Due to the overwhelming evidence -- and this is evidence-based science -- my money's on global warming being unduly affected by the use and burning of fossil fuels. It's very clear. Only a skeptic with alternative motives would dispute this these days, which would be very foolish.
Tell me, Chuck, if you were in your closed-up garage working on an important project requiring a running gasoline-powered generator inside with you, would it be more prudent to continue the work despite the building levels of dangerous carbon monoxide gas, or would you delay working on the project for awhile to take the time to open the garage door to let fresh air in before resuming your work?
I know what I would do.
"I realize you're skeptical of science and probably have a limited education in basic scientific principles and statistical analysis." JG.
Drop dead!
Dave and I were having a reasonable adult conversation with minimal bomb throwing then you stick your hate filled liberal ass into it. Why don't you have a post birth abortion and save the planet from your greenhouse gases emitting from you anal and mouth pores!
Dave,
When I cool off I'll continue our debate in the adult manner when have been having, but if I were you and wanted to be taken seriously, I deleted any post of the JG that demeans or attacks others.
"Who's Laughing Now?"
Even MSNBC's Chris Matthews is now having trouble with the notion that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Reacting to the James Comey Senate hearing, Matthews said the Trump-collusion theory "came apart."
Thanks for the Comedy Progressives! How does that Crow taste?
With the Russian Collusion story fizzling out, what will be the next attack on Trump by the irrational foaming at the mouth Progressive Haters who have been unhinged since Nov 8th?
Major,
"Drop dead!" makes you even.
Arch.
You're listening to Matthews? He often babbles without thinking.
Comey was clear in saying Trump was not under investigation for personal collusion with Russians, although "Russia, if you're listening.." was a clear invitation to Russian hacking.
Not very patriotic was it? Then again, you are a Trumpist Republican before you are an American. It is your religion.
Nevertheless Trump cronies were in repeated contact with Russians, and LIED under oath about it. IOKIYAR after all.
The fact they lied about such contacts is why we need to let the investigation continue.
Then there's Trump's open admission, to Russians even, that firing Comey would eliminate the investigation. Wrong. Now Trump will be investigated for obstruction of justice.
Guess who's laughing now?
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Drop dead!"
LOLOL Did I hit a nerve, Chuck? ;-)
"Dave and I were having a reasonable adult conversation with minimal bomb throwing..."
Chuck, there's one thing you are not, and that's reasonable. I suggest if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Dave,
Where were we before we were interrupted,, oh yes, the problems I have with the statistics you provided are,
They have all happened before without any action by man to have caused them.
There have been higher rates of CO2 with out man using fossil fuels.
The rate of increase has been greater before the use of fossil fuels.
So why is the climate changing now due to man?
Let's stop for a second, I want clean air and water. I don't want pollution to limit where and how I live. Is America's air and water cleaner now that 75 years ago, I'd say yes, would you agree? If I am correct, then which countries are polluting earth? If as you believe that man's pollution is causing climate change, shouldn't the burden be place on the responsible countries?
In the history if the world, the seas have risen and drowned cities. Example: Thonis-Heracleion. Submerged thousands of years before fossil fuels, very quickly.
Canopus, why did the sea submerge it? Same goes for the city in Fuxian Lake, China, the city-state of Olous, Atil, and Phanagoria.
Critical thinking causes me to question blaming the ocean going up 8 inches in 2 hundred years, due to the use of fossil fuels.
Can man effect the cycles of the sun and it's sun spots? Does the sun effect climate?
What role does man have in the cycle of El Nino? What part do you think the sun plays in climate change?
Why when it was shown that the thermometers that were being used to support global warming were "poorly" located, that the issue now became man caused climate change?
I think man caused global warming/climate change is politicized science.
Chuck, have you given any more thought to my question about suffocating yourself with carbon monoxide while working in your garage? Do you think it would be safer to delay the work that's causing your poisoning, or would you just plow ahead and take your chances?
It's a reasonable question.
By the way, your attempt to link the sinking of the ancient Egyptian Nile delta city of Thonis-Heracleion with increased greenhouse gases shows, again, your inability to comprehend and dissect scientific information. The city was built on shifting clay and eventually succumbed to soil liquefaction. Apparently your grasp of geologic ideas isn't up to par either. I suspect your other referenced cities had similar or equally explainable demises, but I don't have the time to chase down your foolishness.
Also, you're plagiarizing again. How many times do I have to remind you to credit your sources? It's entirely okay to reference other's work, but you must give credit where credit is due. (How do I know you're plagiarizing? Because you're incapable of stringing two or more comprehensive sentences together, without obvious spelling errors or grammatical irregularities.)
Current level of CO2 406.17ppm
CO2 levels that cause human death 60,000ppm or 150 times current level.
http://principia-scientific.org/at-what-concentration-does-co2-becomes-toxic-to-humans/
"In the last 3 years, since I began trying to understand the mystic ways that the climate community is conducting their science, I came up with a very simple way to compare their climate science with real science – real science works on the principle that the science laws are absolute, that the physico-chemical properties of molecules are absolute and that the only way to measure the temperature of molecules is by using a calibrated thermometer. Meanwhile, it appears, the climate sciences stay away from all approved instruments as if they are infected by plague. They ignore scientific laws and use bits of (or none at all) of the physico-chemical properties of molecules, depending what the outcome of a particular computational simulation is needed. And they definitely do NOT measure things since the instrumental data has this habit of falsifying everything that their computers are producing."
Dr. Darko Butina
Critical thinking!!
"You're listening to Matthews? He often babbles without thinking."
But I bet he tinkled down his leg when he realized how foolish he had been following the made up story of Russian Collusion with no evidence to date by the Nov 8th Sore Losers.
Major,
Critical thinking requires us to know Principia Scientific International Founder John O'Sullivan has unique qualifications. He is a blogger, NOT a scientist. He was a high school soccer coach. I am just as much an expert as he is. Well, except for soccer.
Critical thinking also requires us to know Darko Butina is also NOT a climate scientist.
Did you know that?
I used to joke about science deniers blaming “liberal thermometers”.
This Darko stooge does just that:
“Meanwhile, it appears, the climate sciences stay away from all approved instruments as if they are infected by plague.”
My joke has become a prediction come true.
Darko doesn't approve of "liberal thermometers".
I humbly resubmit the facts:
The rate of climate change is accelerating.
Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century. Average temperatures have risen, CO2 levels have gone up, coral reefs are bleaching, permafrost is thawing (releasing methane and more greenhouse gasses), glaciers have disappeared and shrunk...you know, observable reality.
Apply these facts to your critical thinking and get back to me.
James Hansen on the Paris Agreement being a joke:
"It’s a fraud really, a fake,” he says, rubbing his head. “It’s just bullshit for them to say: ‘We’ll have a 2C warming target and then try to do a little better every five years.’ It’s just worthless words. There is no action, just promises. As long as fossil fuels appear to be the cheapest fuels out there, they will be continued to be burned."
Thanks James for being honest about Paris and not being a delusional progressive sheep following the herd.
Arch,
Thank you for observing Hansen’s honesty. He knows there is no enforcement of any provisions of the Paris Accords. It’s nothing like a trade deal or treaty. It is only a start.
The Guardian article adds:
But, according to Hansen, the international jamboree is pointless unless greenhouse gas emissions are taxed across the board. He argues that only this will force down emissions quickly enough to avoid the worst ravages of climate change.
Dave, tell me, how long have degrees in climate science been offered and by whom?
Are Al Gore and Bill Nye climate scientist? Where did they get their degrees in climate science?
You see Dave if your going to discredit every source I provide, you leave yourself open for to my asking about Bill and Al, former president Obama, and a host of non scientist who claim climate change is casued by man.
"The rate of climate change is accelerating."
Compared to what? Compared to when?
If average temps are rising why was Man Caused Global Warming been changed to Man Caused Climate Change? Something to do with the temps?
All I know is that climate change is nothing new, that the sun is the major cause of it, followed by earths volcanoes. Heck, if you had read the link I gave you you would know that too LITTLE CO2 is a problem.
But since your mind is made up and thinking critically about the theory's offered by our political scientist is not going to happen, I wish you the best in your electric car, recharged by alternative produced electricity as you continue to reduce your carbon footprint.
Me, I'm thinking of buying a Hellcat!
Major,
According to the U.S. National Center for Education Statistics, there are over 70 colleges and universities around the nation that have programs in climatology or atmospheric science. (But you know better than they do, why?)
You admitted you think climate change is current. (But has nothing to to with greenhouse gasses. This is an absence of critical thinking.) Then you suggest Al Gore invented climate science, or some such nonsense. He made a documentary and was demonized for it. Republicans have transformed that demonization into politicized denying of climate change.
Nearly all, if not all, deniers have taken money from Kochs/fossil fuel corporations. THAT is what a political agenda looks like, son. They are all Republicans or supporters.
I showed Nye's education and accomplishments. When you ignore what I said, you have abandoned reasonable discussion.
Your last comment also contained zero facts.
All I know is that climate change is nothing new, (Current rate of acceleration is very new.)that the sun is the major cause of it,(No it isn't) followed by earths volcanoes.(Not this time, they cool the atmosphere.)
"The rate of climate change is accelerating."
Compared to what? Compared to when?
This:
Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century.
See what I mean about you ignoring what I say? How is that reasonable discussion, please?
Your "critical thinking" has been pretty foggy, sport. You have also ignored significant facts while promoting unscientific opinions and irrelevant ancient history.
too LITTLE CO2 is a problem
For plants and photosynthesis. But they have more than they ever did.
All you are capable of believing is Republican propaganda. You cannot have a reasonable discussion, let alone possess critical thinking, if all your sources have a political/economic agenda that requires climate change denial to maximize profits.
You can try to say scientists are just greedy, but come on, they are not greedy like your Kochs and and they are not dishonest like Trump and your Party.
And a peer review process confirms their case. If not, we'd all know about it.
Why not just say you don't trust "liberal thermometers" and be done with it? It will make the same amount of sense.
If you are lucky enough to have a grandchild looking in your eyes in 20 years, what will you say when he asks, "Why did you support the great liar Trump, the worst president ever, and deny climate change"?
Will they respect you, knowing all you ever believed was Republican talking points and far Right propaganda?
I suppose it's possible. Ignorance is strength for the far Right. And there will always be authoritarian personalities dragging the human race to extinction.
Dave, I really have a hard time understanding why you:
A. continue to put your words into my mouth,
B. making baseless claims about me and my position
I have not done this to you in this discussion. Maybe it's like Mr.Paine told me, it along with deleting my posts, indicate you are losing.
What I believe is the earth's climate is and has always being changing, before fossil fuel. The sun and earth its self cause climate change. That you label this a Republican/conservative position is the best proof that man caused climate change is politicized science. The claim that the climate is changing fast is very poor science if there is no answer to compared to what and when?
Have you or anyone you know in any way contacted China or India demanding they stop NOW their pollution and killing of the planet? Why not, if as you believe man caused climate is accelerating so fast? Are China and India being run by the Koch's? Is that the reason they pollute and kill us all?
What are you personally doing to reduce YOUR carbon foot print? Ah heck Dave, I'm done wasting my time on you a non critical thinker, like you. Remember to turn off your furnace this winter, the planet's future is on your shoulders.
Major,
Your "position" is summed up in these telling words: "What I believe is..."
Beliefs trump facts in your ideology.
You are choosing your beliefs. You have rejected scientific consensus, and chosen the beliefs that conform to your party's ideology and agenda.
Your beliefs show arrogant disrespect for science, and for its mission to discover truth to benefit humanity. You have chosen to embrace an ideology of ignorance, or active deception, that threatens our air, water, and planet. For this I question your moral foundation.
When facts and science are counter to you political beliefs and agenda, you and your leaders employ distraction, deflection and disinformation to reject facts and science.
You let us know what your great fear is. You fear the evil government is going to take everything away from you. You just say you want clean air and water. You don't want to do anything about it. This shows your true nature to be selfish, irresponsible and unaccountable.
You spout about "critical thinking" while completely disrespecting science, facts, and the valid concerns for humanity. This demonstrates poor character, weak intellect and a cult mentality.
Let's be clear. Your politics frame your climate change denial and anti-science position. Your beliefs conform absolutely to the political strategy of your party and leaders.
Science and observable reality tell us you are wrong.
I wish you were right. I wish climate change was not real, not present, not accelerating, and not aggravated by human produced greenhouse gasses.
That should make it easy to convince me if you were right, shouldn't it?
You can't expect your contempt for, and rejection of, science to change my mind. You can't change the minds of thinking and informed people.
Your mission is not to enlighten, but to obfuscate, and confuse the gullible and less informed. That is done solely to gain your Party's political agenda.
Your cult has poisoned our nation with lies and deceptions in order to facilitate Republican power and the upward distribution of wealth to corporate coffers and the economic elites.
Your party's policies will lead to more death and suffering, as they have done for so many years.
What else should we expect from you and your Party of Trump?
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Current level of CO2 406.17ppm"
and...
"CO2 levels that cause human death 60,000ppm or 150 times current level."
Who's talking about, and is concerned with, the "toxicity levels" of carbon dioxide?!
Once again, Chuck, you're exhibiting, quite clearly, how much of a moron you are. [head shaking in total disbelief]
More pure BS from you Dave, pure liberal only big govt can save us BS..
"A new NASA study, released on Friday, admits that ice is accumulating in Antarctica. Satellite measurements show an 82-112 gigaton-a-year net ice gain. That's 82-112 billion tons per year! Nine zeroes! In other words that is 112,000,000,000 tons."
Yet you believe the ice is melting and is the cause of sea levels rising. 8 whole inches over the past 100 years. Wow! Build me an ark, watch out NYC, you're way past due going under water as was predicted 30 year ago.
How's it going with your attempt to reduce China's carbon footprint, or is their pollution not the problem since it's made by a socialist govt?
Figures, as that would require critical thinking on your part, and once in the cult of liberalism, critical thinking is deemed dangerous and never allowed.
Why do you hate western civilization? What are your doing to reduce your carbon footprint?
Back to my fossil fuel burning dreams of a Hellcat! Have fun in your Volt.
JG,
Wipe your mouth off.
JG,
There's snow at the South Pole!! And "Liberal thermometers"!!
Proof there's no climate change, amirite?
Their political mission is to deny, demean, distract, deflect and deceive. All in the name of profit over planet, with no concern for human suffering.
The Con-servative movement is a Death Cult. When they take power, the poor lose food stamps, people lose health care, wages are suppressed, wars are started, ISIS was formed, and people die.
Isn't it funny how Major's "critical thinking" never questions Republican dogma? Never.
Now the Party of Trump, and soon enough, Pence is doubling down on this far Right agenda.
I call that evil. Critical thinking will support this conclusion.
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Wipe your mouth off."
Chuck, I have a distinct feeling you're trying to ignore me. ;-)
If you were suffocating yourself with carbon monoxide while working in your closed-up garage, do you think it would be safer to delay the work that's causing your poisoning?...or would you just plow ahead and take your chances?
These are two fairly simple questions, Chuck, even for you. :-) What would you do?
Dave Dubya: "There's snow at the South Pole!! And 'Liberal thermometers'!!"
Boston's worst winter in history, a couple of years ago, probably also contributes to Chuck's climate change denial. I agree, he's a cultist personality to the core. It's impossible to have an honest discussion with alt-right characters like Chuck, simply because they're typically uneducated and don't have the rudimentary understanding of basic proven concepts. Without that knowledge base, it's like trying to reason with a child.
By the way, I have a couple of "liberal thermometers" on my property! They work great! LOL
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