As
Dear Leader announced his discriminatory ban against Muslims and avoided
mentioning Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, we should pause and examine the history of such behavior.
Let’s have a look at the poster hanging in the US Holocaust Museum listing the early warning signs of fascism:
Let’s have a look at the poster hanging in the US Holocaust Museum listing the early warning signs of fascism:
EARLY
WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM
1.
Powerful and continuing nationalism
2.
Disdain for human rights
3.
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
4.
Rampant sexism
5.
Controlled mass media
6.
Obsession with national security
7.
Religion and government intertwined
8.
Corporate power protected
9.
Labor power suppressed
10.
Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
11.
Obsession with crime and punishment
12.
Rampant cronyism and corruption
Looks
like the agenda of the Bannon/Trump White House.
In other news, Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court joked in his yearbook that he founded and led "Fascism Forever Club" to rally against the "left-wing tendencies" of his professors while attending a Jesuit all-boys preparatory high school.
“Left wing” Jesuit teachers? Right. Just like the "liberal media".
If allowed on the stolen seat on the Supreme Court he’ll get to promote Dear Leader's version of the real thing.
Addendum:
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
“America first. America first.” "When you hear about the tough phone calls I'm having, don't worry about it. Just don't worry about it. They're tough. We have to be tough. It's time we're going to be a little tough, folks. We're taken advantage of by every nation in the world, virtually. It's not going to happen anymore. It's not going to happen anymore." - Trump "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist," - Commissar Bannon
In other news, Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court joked in his yearbook that he founded and led "Fascism Forever Club" to rally against the "left-wing tendencies" of his professors while attending a Jesuit all-boys preparatory high school.
“Left wing” Jesuit teachers? Right. Just like the "liberal media".
If allowed on the stolen seat on the Supreme Court he’ll get to promote Dear Leader's version of the real thing.
Addendum:
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
“America first. America first.” "When you hear about the tough phone calls I'm having, don't worry about it. Just don't worry about it. They're tough. We have to be tough. It's time we're going to be a little tough, folks. We're taken advantage of by every nation in the world, virtually. It's not going to happen anymore. It's not going to happen anymore." - Trump "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a nationalist," - Commissar Bannon
2. Disdain for human rights
“Torture absolutely works”. Trump calls for 'hell of a
lot worse than waterboarding' ... "I would bring back waterboarding," - Trump
3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Mexicans, Muslims, and Media, Oh my.
4. Rampant sexism
"Tic
Tac" Donny "The Pussy Grabber" Trump. Commissar Bannon was
arrested for grabbing his wife by the throat.
5. Controlled mass media
“Suing the press for libel”. Only “Alternative facts”
from FOX and Breitbart are to be trusted. “The media should be embarrassed and
humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while. I want you to
quote this. The media here is the opposition party.” – Commissar Bannon
6. Obsession with national security
"Our decimated military". "We never win anymore".
7. Religion and government intertwined
Trump vows to “totally destroy” restrictions on
churches’ support of candidates
8.Corporate power protected
In a 52 to 47 vote, the Senate approved a resolution
already passed by the House of Representatives that wipes from the books a rule
requiring companies such as Exxon Mobil and Chevron Corp to publicly state the
taxes and other fees they pay to foreign governments. Tax cuts to follow. We
now have a cabinet of Exxon/Moblie, by Goldman Sachs, and for the Kochs.
9. Labor power suppressed
Trump launches war on unions: First, Trump blasted an
Indiana union boss personally on Twitter, prompting a blistering response from
labor leaders. Then he announced his choice for secretary of the Department of
Labor is fast-food executive Andrew Puzder, an outspoken union opponent.
10. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
Exhibit A: Suppression of climate science.
Exhibit B:
"The Theater must always be a safe and special place. The cast of Hamilton
was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!, The
cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should
immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior.”
11. Obsession with crime and punishment
“I am the Law and Order candidate”. “Stop and frisk” and more militarization of
police are his agenda. Threatens to “send in the feds”, militarizing law
enforcement in Chicago.
12. Rampant cronyism and corruption
Corporate billionaires in the cabinet. Ivanka in
meetings with heads of state. Son in law as advisor.
The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet
Sexual-Assault Allegations
The Beauty Pageant Scandals
Racial Housing Discrimination
Mafia Ties
Trump University
Tenant Intimidation
The Four Bankruptcies
The Undocumented Polish Workers
Alleged Marital Rape
Breaking Casino Rules
Antitrust Violations
Condo Hotel Shenanigans
Suing Journalist Tim O’Brien for Libel
Refusing to Pay Workers and Contractors
Undocumented Models
The Trump Foundation
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50 comments:
Yes, it was a stolen seat indeed.... and those warning signs are becoming more omnipresent with each new day of this horrific administration.
Continue to resist and fight the tyranny. If we do not, it's at our own peril.
LOL
If liberals are unhinge now, wait until Ruth Bader Ginsberg's seat opens.
To paraphrase Obama, elections have consequences, liberals lost, get over it!!
Obviously Chuck "Majormajor" Morre doesn't see anything objectionable with the warning signs listed. That's understandable, being a fascist himself.
They'd be objectionable if they were happening, but I understand how an unhinged liberal would think they are.
JG,
you for got to call me a racist.
"IF they were happening"?
"I understand how an unhinged liberal would think they are."
Too bad we'll never get an explanation of this one. It would be quite con-sensical.
Example:
4. Rampant sexism
"Tic Tac" Donny "The Pussy Grabber" Trump showing sexism? Impossible! Always the perfect gentleman.
We could go down the list with all the other "unhinged" examples.
Let's look at these warning signs one by one:
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism: I think that there are a majority of Americans that have always loved this country and see it for the land of liberty that it is, while some others like Michele Obama was never proud of her country until her husband was elected. She must be unproud again after this last election. That said, I don't think our sense of nationalism is very powerful right now.
2. Disdain for human rights: like Obama's violations of the first, second, fourth, and tenth amendments? Do you mean like that? Or are your just mad that Trump temporarily halted immigration from seven war-torn countries that have ISIS members that said they would infiltrate us through refugees?
3. Identifying of enemies as a unifying cause: do you mean like ISIS and Iran? Yeah the appeasement of those terrorists have really helped to make the world a safer place under Obama.
4. Rampant sexism: I'll give you this one considering Trump's vulgarity.
5. Controlled mass media: Really? The corporate leftist media is doing everything they can to bring down Trump and dissuade supporters. Next non-issue please...
6. Obsession with national security: considering the poor state of our military, our porous borders, and nuclear deals that strengthen enemies chanting "Death to America", I suppose that someone should be the grown up and start protecting Americans.
7. Religion and government intertwined: Yeah, like Iran is? If anything, the American government was hostile to first amendment religious rights under Obama.
8. Corporate power protected: Yeah, I'll agree with you on this one too.
9. Labor power suppressed: Not hardly. Any decline in union strength has been because of their politics and thuggery such as was displayed by the SEIU. If anything, Trump has declared he wants to bring back manufacturing and production -- in other words, union jobs.
10. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts: I have no idea regarding this one. Dave will argue about scientists claiming the existence of anthropogenic global warming. I counter that with scientists arguing or being agnostic against that political agenda.
11. Obsession with crime and punishment: Again it must look like an "obsession" now since Obama and his fellow Democrats ignored this in major cities where shootings and crime skyrocketed under their continued "care". The fact that Trump says "no more" must indeed seem obsessive.
12. Rampant cronyism and corruption: Yep. This seems to have been a staple of our federal government for a very long time now. I don't expect it to change drastically at this point.
The bottom line is that America is in no greater danger of becoming fascist than it was under Obama. Some of the "signs" have improved under Trump while others have worsened. Overall it is a wash. But I know you see it quite differently, Dave. Your amygdala is working overtime along with all of the "self-frightened" snow-flake college kids that want to resort to violence if alternative viewpoints from their own leftist claptrap views are even threatened to be brought to their campuses. Yep. I would worry more about leftist anarchism then I would fascism, if I were you, sir.
TP - "The bottom line is that America is in no greater danger of becoming fascist than it was under Obama."
So, you are essentially in agreement with Dave. Your just arguing that Trump is continuing along the line that Obama set, and that therefore the threat of fascism is real. You can blame it on Obama all you want, but that is now history. We now have Trump, and his continuation of Obama's fascist behavior (your beliefs) will continue to lead us to ruin.
Liberals are already repudiating Trump's policies, but until conservatives like you join, in instead of blaming Obama, Trump will have sufficient support to carry out his distructive policies. The ball is in your court.
Like I said, I have and will speak out against Trump when his policies violate the constitution or common decency. I personally do not like the man. He is an arrogant, vulgar, blowhard that is more concerned with his own ego than anything else. I think some of his orders regarding the EPA tweets are foolish and more about him than environmentalism. He picks unnecessary arguments with Australia and Mexico. In that way he has not helped America. I don't know if that it rises to the level of steering us more into fascism or not though.
I do agree with his temporary immigration ban. I think it protects America. It is NOT a Muslim ban as some would have us believe through their rhetoric and propaganda demagoguing. I also think the whole immigration system is in desperate need of overhaul to allow those whom are worthy to come to America. If they wish to come to do us harm or live off of our welfare system, then of course there should be extreme vetting to ensure that doesn't happen. I don't know why anyone would wish for anything different.
4. Rampant sexism
IE: Anthony Weiner, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy.
"It is NOT a Muslim ban"
Good luck getting the low info unhinged liberals to believe that, TP.
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "JG, you for got to call me a racist."
For got? ;-) Is that similar to four got?
Anyway, no I didn't forget. You assured me that you're not a racist. Until I see verbiage that indicates otherwise, you're off the hook. I have a feeling, though, my wait will not be long.
I noticed you didn't object to being called a fascist. I guess I hit the proverbial nail on the head, huh Chuck?
A couple guests apparently missed this one:
Ban or not a ban?
Both, according to Trumpian (and TP's) doublethink.
Trump told reporters that his executive order was “working out very nicely,” adding “we’re going to have a very, very strict ban.” He tweeted, “If the ban were announced with a one week notice, the "bad" would rush into our country during that week. A lot of bad "dudes" out there!”
Mouthpiece Sean Spicer said it's "Not a ban".
So, there.
Better blame the evil media.
I read a book a few years ago titled The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, written by Naomi Wolf (2007). In this work she outlined ten steps that modern (20th century) history has shown rising fascist groups using to subvert a democratic society's political, social and constitutional liberties. The ten steps, not necessarily in order, are very systematic in closing down previously open societies.
As I've already mentioned in a previous post, it's happening. It has been happening, and moving toward that end for quite some time. It's an evolutionary process, for the most part, especially for a nation such as ours which has a solid constitutional foundation and is governed by (but not so much anymore) the rule of law. Trump is accelerating the process. Conditions are ripe, and he's the one who's taking us over the edge.
Trump's the closer.
Kudos to TP for recognizing a few of the signs.
4. Rampant sexism, 8. Corporate power protected, and 12. Rampant cronyism and corruption
He's not clear yet that, "Corporate power protected" by definition includes: 9. Labor power suppressed.
Blaming "union thugs" is entrenched anti-labor rights dogma. It certainly protects corporate power, along with "A Corporation is a person", and "Money is free speech" and finally a cabinet OF Exxon/Mobile, BY Goldman Sachs, and FOR the Kochs.
Which brings us to the question.
If this isn't corporatocracy, what is?
"It is NOT a Muslim ban" ~ T. Paine
"Good luck getting the low info unhinged liberals to believe that, TP." ~ Majormajor
Lol. I know... I know, MM. It is irrelevant whether they believe the TRUTH or not though. Their belief or non-belief does not alter what truly is.
And thank God that facts do not change simply based on whether the left believes those facts or not! If that were true, it would be a fact that any criticism of the president would be considered racism from 2008 to 2016. Now criticism of the president is our American duty to repel fascism. It is similar to the fact that it was "none of our business" what President Clinton did in his sex life, including a credible charge of rape, but it is disqualifying when the idiot Trump talks about his sexual escapades from long ago.
I guess we can surmise from this that FACTS are only relevant to some progressives if they help bolster their political causes, otherwise they are something to be obfuscated or ignored.
Dave, as you well know, you and I agree that a corporation is not a person and should not have the same rights accordingly. I also agree and am troubled by this cabinet of corporate titans. I was also troubled by this when our corrupt Secretary of the Treasury under Obama, Tim Geithner, was appointed from Goldman Sachs right after Obama promised that this and other lobbyists would find no favor or foothold within his administration. I guess that went the same way as "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan", and "it was a video that caused the Benghazi attack." Frankly those lies were far more damning than Trump's about inauguration crowd sizes.
TP, I think that a good case can be made that it is a Muslim ban.
1. Trump has called it a ban. He owns it, he gets to name it.
2. The order includes a exemption for minority religions. One, that is a religious test. Two, Muslims are not a minority religion in any of the seven countries, it doesn't apply to them. That makes it a Muslim ban, clear and simple.
3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause.
Because it's makes so much more sense to not name those who want to slaughter you and put you under Sharia Law.
6. Obsession with national security.
Because after 8 years of the Nobel Peace Prize winning President running things, the threat from Islamic Terrorist has not been reduced. Duh!!
"Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court joked in his yearbook that he founded and led "Fascism Forever Club" to rally against the "left-wing tendencies" of his professors while attending a Jesuit all-boys preparatory high school."
http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/02/leftie-media-beclowned-themselves-over-gorsuch-high-school-yearbook-entry/
http://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/02/02/no-neil-gorsuch-did-not-start-fascism-forever-club-his-jesuit-high
He wrote that he founded and led the “Fascism Forever Club,” though those with knowledge of the school back in the 1980s say there was no such club. The mention of it in the yearbook was a tongue-in-cheek attempt to POKE FUN AT LIBERAL peers who teased him about his fierce conservatism.
Aw, liberals can't take a joke, cause they are miserable, humorless, authoritarian elitist.
TP, he left is so unhinged TP it's laughable. They have the DT's.
JG, you are a communist anarchist.
TP,
I guess that went the same way as "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan", and "it was a video that caused the Benghazi attack." Frankly those lies were far more damning than Trump's about inauguration crowd sizes.
Right, except that's far from Trump's most damning lie, now isn't it? And MOST of us kept our plans. Really. Obama was wrong to suggest the video "caused the attack". It was a reasonable guess at the proximate time due to the widespread reaction to the video, but he should have dropped it. And really, what harm did that do? None. Nobody died from that false explanation.
That lie was no worse than Bush's lame dismissal of terrorism because "They hate us for our freedom". And Bush's lies led to thousands of dead Americans. No "nukular" aluminum tubes, no "biological labs" and no Saddam and "connections to al-Qaeda".
Makes the video lie pretty damned benign, doesn't it?
something to be obfuscated or ignored.
You mean this?
Ban or not a ban?
Both, according to Trumpian (and TP's) doublethink.
Trump told reporters that his executive order was “working out very nicely,” adding “we’re going to have a very, very strict ban.” He tweeted, “If the ban were announced with a one week notice, the "bad" would rush into our country during that week. A lot of bad "dudes" out there!”
Mouthpiece Sean Spicer said it's "Not a ban".
Hello? Anyone home?
Chuck,
The mention of it in the yearbook was a tongue-in-cheek attempt to POKE FUN...
Yes, as I noted, "joked in his yearbook". We get it. Really. We understand cons' are handicapped when it comes to humor.
And spare us your inane lecture on terrorism.
"Your ass is covered", was the Shrub's response in August 2001 to "Bin-Laden determined to strike in US".
Did more Americans die from terrorism under Bush Jr, or Obama?
Was ignoring the clear warning, and then getting hit on 9-11 "keeping us safe"? Did Bush's removal of terror adviser Richard Clarke from cabinet meetings help keep us safe? How about Bush's war of aggression that formed ISIS?
Perfect examples of how NOT to reduce terrorism.
Unhinged projection:
liberals can't take a joke, cause they are miserable, humorless, authoritarian elitist.
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "JG, you are a communist anarchist."
You have no right to say this, without deliberately lying, because I've already assured you (or one of the other horse's asses of the Apocalypse -- I don't remember) that I'm not a communist.
Are you deliberately lying, Chuck? You are, aren't you?
As far as being an anarchist, I'm stating for the record that I am not. So, accordingly, if you call me one from this point forward, you're deliberately lying -- again. As the lame-brain Biff tweeted today, you're playing with fire. I don't think I have to tell you what this means. ;-)
Switching gears a little bit, Dave Dubya's response to Mr. Paine (date/time-stamped February 3, 2017 at 4:32 PM) is brilliant. So, Chuck, if you feel you must label me anything, please feel free to call me an anti-corporatist. This label I wear proudly -- and sing its praises loudly -- and will until the day I die.
By the way, you haven't denied being a fascist. You are, aren't you?
Dave Dubya to T. Paine: "If this isn't corporatocracy, what is?"
Dave, I can't wait to hear Mr. Paine's response. I suspect he'll roll over it and just ignore it -- as Republicans and conservatives tend to do when their true golden calf of idolatry -- "capitalism" -- is skewered and over-cooked, then served to them without anything to wash it down. It's always easier for them to ignore it and just walk away from the table.
Sigh... I guess it is a ban of Muslims for those seven countries. For the rest of the 53 predominantly Muslim countries in the world, they are free to immigrate here. So those MUSLIMS CAN COME TO AMERICA. The English language therefore tells me it is NOT a Muslim ban regardless of who says otherwise, even Trump.
Let me be very clear. If Muslims CAN come here from any country other than the seven specifically named, it must not be a MUSLIM ban by DEFINITION.
"Obama was wrong to suggest the video 'caused the attack'. It was a reasonable guess at the proximate time due to the widespread reaction to the video, but he should have dropped it."
Really? It was a reasonable guess? He was having it said for public consumption via Susan Rice days later on national television when they KNEW that was a lie... a lie Hillary repeated to the families of those killed, even though she knew the truth. Further, there were hardly any on-line hits to that video, so "widespread reaction" is another false Democrat talking point without any merit whatsoever.
Last, I guess I missed Dave's comment that JG is referencing. I admit that way too much of our country is dominated by corporations in its governing. I don't know that I would go so far as to call it a corporatocracy at this point, but I do recognize some very disturbing signs and the potential under Trump for it to get worse.
There... I addressed your issue and did not walk away from it. :)
Have a swell weekend, Gentlemen!
TP,
My sincere thanks for your courteous response.
Have a pleasant weekend, buddy.
"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else."
George Orwell 1944 "What is Fascism?"
Thank you George. So much manufactured emotion from sore loser in this meaningless blog post for such a meaningless word. amirite?
TP - "Let me be very clear. If Muslims CAN come here from any country other than the seven specifically named, it must not be a MUSLIM ban by DEFINITION."
The executive order deals with restrictions on only those seven. So when you talk about a ban, of course you are talking about Muslim ban from those seven countries. That should be inherently clear and not require clarification. To say it is not a ban because it does not ban Muslims from every country in the world is definitely moving the goal posts an unreasonable distance.
ArchieBunkerNYC - "...in this meaningless blog post..."
If this is such a "meaningless blog post", why are you wasting your time following and even going as far as commenting on it, and taking the time to find, copy, and paste a quote from Orwell.
Thanks, Arch!
I just LOVE it when a Rightie brings up Orwell.
Let’s see more from George Orwell’s 1944 "What is Fascism?"
Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. ...even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.
That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.
Thank you, George. You cut to the essence of the authoritarian brutes, “cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class”, in a word, bully.
Bully for you, Chuck, er, I mean Arch.
And thank you, George, for this descriptor of an important element of fascism/Trumpism/Republiklanism/corporatism
"Obscurantist", from Obscurantism: the deliberate restriction of knowledge—opposition to disseminating knowledge
GOP "values" defined.
"I don't think I have to tell you what this means. ;-)"
Pray tell me JG, what that mean?
Why does one have deny everything you call them? The fact that don't know me, makes your attempts to paint me a racist or a fascist or anything else your unhinged liberal mind dreams up just an example of how the left stifles debate. You bring out the name calling smear game is a classic liberal ploy.
"You have no right to say this" but I have ever right to believe so.
Look how much your doing so deflects from the light of truth being shined into the darkness of liberalism? Not an accident. Just who do you think you are?
Bush has been out of office for 8 years, and you hold him responsible for Obama's failed 8 year war on terrorism?
Just what is the "anti-corporatist" solution, plan to win the Islamic Terrorist war?
You seem very good at point fingers, at placing blame for the war, how about your plan to stop the war being waged by Islamic Terrorism
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Pray tell me JG, what that mean?"
Continue labeling me a communist, or Marxist, or anarchist and find out.
"Why does one have deny everything you call them?"
One doesn't, but I'm asking you. Do you consider yourself a fascist?
"You bring out the name calling smear game is a classic liberal ploy."
You started it, Chuck. Anybody who doesn't express your devoted love of classical "free market" orthodoxy, no matter how it has transformed or is practiced, you've always labeled a communist or Marxist. Since that seems to be the way you best express yourself, I'm just accommodating you. I'll sink to your level if that's the way you communicate.
"...but I have ever right to believe so."
Believe what you want. Until there are thought-police watching what we think, we're still safe in that realm.
"Look how much your doing so deflects from the light of truth being shined into the darkness of liberalism?"
In every age throughout the history of western civilization, liberalism has always been the light that paved the way to democracy. This new thinking became unmistakable in art, architecture, culture, literature, politics, science...you name it. It opened the world to a new way of thinking, putting the primacy on all of humankind -- not just an elitist few. That's the best "light of truth" there is.
"Just who do you think you are?"
I'm just like you, Chuck, only smarter, wiser, more loving, more caring, more understanding, more open-minded, more embracing of diversity and human differences, and a whole lot less authoritarian.
"Bush has been out of office for 8 years, and you hold him responsible for Obama's failed 8 year war on terrorism?"
I hold Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld responsible for the war-torn and unsettled Middle East that Obama inherited and now Biff is inheriting. Whether Bush has been out of office for eight years or twenty-eight years, it doesn't take away from the fact that he created the ungodly mess that has enveloped that part of the world and which has spilled over into Europe. He created the large vacuum that allowed and fostered the Islamic State to germinate and proliferate, and which created a migrant and refugee problem of unheard of proportions. His being out of office doesn't change this -- unless, of course, you subscribe to the notion of "alternative facts". Something tells me that you do.
"Just what is the "anti-corporatist" solution, plan to win the Islamic Terrorist war?"
They're two mutually exclusive ideas, really. I know what needs to be done to rein in corporate power. As far as Islamic terrorism, that's a creation of the United States -- specifically Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. (See above.) They fucked it up, really good. The starting point, I believe, is for Israel to relinquish all the stolen and occupied territory and return it to the Palestinians. That's, again, the first step. At least this will show positive intention. That needs to happen first before further steps can be developed.
"You seem very good at point fingers..."
If the shoe fits...
By the way, Chuck, do you ever proofread what you've written? You should.
"I hold Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld responsible for the war-torn and unsettled Middle East that Obama inherited and now Biff is inheriting. Whether Bush has been out of office for eight years or twenty-eight years, it doesn't take away from the fact that he created the ungodly mess that has enveloped that part of the world and which has spilled over into Europe. He created the large vacuum that allowed and fostered the Islamic State to germinate and proliferate, and which created a migrant and refugee problem of unheard of proportions. His being out of office doesn't change this -- unless, of course, you subscribe to the notion of "alternative facts". Something tells me that you do."
yah da yah da yah da from Cuckoo Bird. Iraq was a mistake, but the surge worked. Barry the Bullshit artist pulled the troops creating the vacuum there. Taking out Gaddafi in Libya was a disaster creating a vacuum there. Bozo Barry and Hillary were a disaster in the Middle East.
If Slick Willie Clinton had the balls to pull the trigger and kill Bin Laden then the Iraq invasion would not have happened because 9/11 would not have happened. You also conveniently forget the "Iraq Liberation Act" signed by Bill Clinton and had unanimous approval by Democrats for the removal of Saddam.
lol lol lol on "alternative facts" like WT7 was brought down by "controlled demolition" as stated on your blog. You live in an alternative universe Cuckoo Bird.
Consense galore:
Iraq was a mistake Dear Leader says so. I say so. Arch is too confused to agree or disagree. Independent thought is difficult for loyal authoritarian followers.
the surge worked Good. that meant it was time to withdraw, amirite? Iraqis demanded withdrawal and Bush signed the SOFA. (Better blame the black guy for following through, amirite?)
If Slick Willie Clinton had the balls to pull the trigger and kill Bin Laden then the Iraq invasion would not have happened because 9/11 would not have happened.
Arch never even heard of bin-Laden at the time. Clinton refused to kill innocents along with OBL.
The truly insane con-sense is "the Iraq invasion would not have happened because 9/11 would not have happened". Never mind Bush did nothing to prevent 9-11, even after being warned.
And what the hell did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Nothing. Utter con-sense.
Cheney wanted that war for oil BEFORE 9-11. Now Dear Leader wants to pillage that oil. Yes, along with torture, it is a war crime. IOKIYAR.
"Archism" = Trumpism = Fascism
On the issue of Islamic terrorism, you are naive.
From an "expert" who thinks "Israel's territory" was always theirs, and Iraq had something to do with 9-11! LOL!
Trumpists are so naive they need alternative facts.
"Archism" = Trumpism = Fascism = Meaningless
Thank you George for pointing out Dave's meaningless hyperbole!
Dave, you and the unhinged NYU professor are a match. amirite?
WARNING!
The 1984 PC Thought Police is out in full force today deleting dissenting opinion. amirite?
"From an "expert" who thinks "Israel's territory" was always theirs, and Iraq had something to do with 9-11! LOL!
Trumpists are so naive they need alternative facts."
This from someone who believed Obama's promises!
"The truly insane con-sense is "the Iraq invasion would not have happened because 9/11 would not have happened". Never mind Bush did nothing to prevent 9-11, even after being warned."
Yeah GWB was told by the Saudis ahead of time that the Towers were going to be hit? More bullshit from the Cuckoo left.
Why don't you add that GWB helped plant the explosives in WT7 after the first strike for a "controlled demolition" to add to your delusions?
Dave, Archie Bunker must think it's springtime. He's planting his "con-sense" row by row; line by line.
JG,
What do you suppose poor Arch is so angry about? Did something relevant get deleted?
He thinks I'm something Trump grabs.
Go figure.
Dave Dubya: "What do you suppose poor Arch is so angry about?"
No tellin'. Arch is pretty manic. It's easy to see. He probably can't get his meds any longer due to the looming repeal of ACA. With nothing to replace it, he'll soon be frothing at the mouth. Keep some sani-wipes handy to wipe off your screen. ;-)
"Did something relevant get deleted?"
Only a zillion of his brain cells. (Maybe he's upset about the thousands of fictional people that never died in Bowling Green. LMFAO)
"He thinks I'm something Trump grabs."
A headline? The ire of everyone? His little knowledge and totally skewed understanding of the world through late-night viewings of Fox News? C'mon, Dave, give me a hint! ;-)
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "How much of Israel's territory would have to be given up before Islamic terrorists would end their war with us?"
Did I say ISIS would discontinue just because Israel returns their stolen and occupied territories from the Palestinians? Not hardly.
Repeating for you, because I realize you have special writing/reading and comprehension challenges, I wrote: "That's, again, the first step. At least this will show positive intention. That needs to happen first before further steps can be developed."
"On the issue of Islamic terrorism, you are naive."
Because I laughed my ass off when I read one of your responses to Dave Dubya, I'm repeating his answer to you because it is so fascinating how your warped mind works! Absolutely fascinating! This is truly golden! Are you ready? Here it is -- in bold font, so it can't be missed. (Readers, enjoy the chuckles!)
"From an 'expert' who thinks 'Israel's territory' was always theirs, and Iraq had something to do with 9-11!"
This is priceless! LMFAO
JG
Laugh all you want, but the reality is you don't have a clue on how to end the Islamic Terrorist war.
You said "The starting point, I believe, is for Israel to relinquish all the stolen and occupied territory and return it to the Palestinians." I asked how much territory? What are the further steps?
You are now in full defection and mocking mode. A sure sign that you don't have an answer. As you have not denied wanting to push Israel into the sea, you must agree with that. You are so naive.
You have quoted DD's lie that I think 'Israel's territory' was always theirs. This MUST be an error on your part cause I've never said that, or you are lying. You wouldn't be lying JG would you?
Dave,
Can you start posting your rants in a video and put them on Youtube? You could wear a mask to hide your identity. Maybe one of those smiley Marxist masks.
No doubt they would sound like the unhinged NYU professor and just as hilarious!
You and the unhinged Professor just need to get over it, Trump won and the Democrats lost the most seats under the Messiah. amirite?
So are you talking about the lands Israel captured during its six day war in 1967 when it was fighting for its very survival from all of the surrounding Arab armies? Do you mean those lands? ...like the Golan Heights? Israel did offer to return that and some other lands. Do you know what they wanted in exchange? ...An ACKNOWLEDGEMENT from those enemy nations of Israel's right to exist and peace. They refused, so Israel kept those lands as a buffer. (They did return the Sinai to Egypt years later in exchange for peace. (It was one of the very few things Carter did that was good in his administration.)
Many of the Palestinians are little better than terrorists themselves. The anti-semitic world decries Israel's building of a wall, but the terrorist bombings and other attacks significantly lessened after they did so.
I guess this is just one more area where many otherwise good people on the Left fail to see the truth of the situation and side with the "poor, oppressed" Palestinians that have aligned with terrorist factions such as Hamas and Hezbollah. The bottom line is that if Israel were to unilaterally disarm, they would be overwhelmed, pushed into the sea, and utterly destroyed immediately. If their surrounding enemies would unilaterally disarm, there would finally be peace in that region of the world. THAT is the difference, my friends.
http://savingcommonsense.blogspot.com/2011/05/president-obamas-new-peace-policy-and_30.html
TP,
This is the context:
Chuck declared, "On the issue of Islamic terrorism, you are naive."
I responded, "From an "expert" who thinks "Israel's territory" was always theirs, and Iraq had something to do with 9-11!
Trumpists are so naive they need alternative facts."
You can ignore the fact of Israeli Apartheid and the non-citizen status of many Arabs. You can even ignore the fact that Arab lands were taken by force of UN mandate, war and settlements. Both sides have grievances, but only one has all the power. Israel was birthed in the ruins of British colonialism. The scars may never heal.
Is this not the "truth of the situation"?
But you can't ignore the facts. "Israel's territory" was NOT always theirs, and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11."
On second thought, ignoring facts is the foundation of con-servativism. See new post.
DD,,
What is your "final solution" for the Israel problem?
Show me where I said that I think 'Israel's territory' was always theirs?
You wouldn't be putting words in my mouth or lying would you Dave?
So retract that claim and we can be done with your lie.
Ignore that!
At least we have Majormajor responding to one of his old names, Chuck.
Good to clear that up.
"Final solutions" are more of your ideology than mine. Israel, as with all rights-suppressing states, should make efforts toward equality, civil rights, and shared opportunity. And more moderate Arabs need to separate themselves politically from their violent minority.
How's that for a start?
Your feelings are hurt?
Look at your lie and false accusation for comparison:
You agree with the Islamic Terrorist final solution for Israel.
I accept your apology.
Your Context:
How much of Israel's territory would have to be given up before Islamic terrorists would end their war with us?
So how long was it their territory? Do your religious beliefs say it was "always theirs" since Moses? If not, they have taken the land by force, and it shouldn't surprise anyone if the evicted ones wish to rightfully drive them out.
Which way is it?
If I lied, you need to tell the truth that debunks it. If you can't, then you lie again.
Dave Dubya: "Did something relevant get deleted?
Well, something did now. Looks like "Archie" deleted his own message (date/time-stamped February 4, 2017 at 6:03 PM). This was the one where he called you a pussy, remember?
Called you a "snowflake", also.
Poor Arch...too much Saturday night hittin' the hooch. It brings out his repressed anger. ;-)
DD
"Look at your lie and false accusation for comparison:
You agree with the Islamic Terrorist final solution for Israel."
Kind of like JG claiming because I never denied being a Fascist, I must be one.
What goes round DD comes around, how do you like it?
Now you're going to try weasel out of your lie, sorry dude, it doesn't work that way.
JG and I came to terms when he kied about me, why should I expect any less from you.
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There is no reason to deal with a liar in a respectful way, no matter how you try to justify your lie by putting more words in my mouth, you lied when you said "that I think 'Israel's territory' was always theirs. If it's not a lie, show me where I said that or retract your statement. If not, you are an admitted liar.
Chuck "Majormajor" Morre: "Kind of like JG claiming because I never denied being a Fascist, I must be one."
False equivalency. I asked you several times whether you're a fascist, giving you every chance to tell me you're not. Because you haven't, I think you are.
"JG and I came to terms when he kied about me, why should I expect any less from you."
I apologized because, frankly, I wasn't willing to research all the malarkey and con-sense you've spouted here and on Tom's blog over the last year. I'm positive if I was willing to do so, I'd find the evidence I need.
Dave doesn't owe you an apology -- just a swift kick in the ass. ;-) You're lucky he doesn't delete everything you put up here. I would.
How about this DD, your conclusion is wrong!
I never said what you claim I did, admit it.
Oh, I forgot, in your liberal authoritarian way, this thread is closed to this topic,
how very liberal of you. You never proved what you claim I said or for that matter what
you think I believe. Retract what you said, it's really very simple.
JG
Why would you delete, afraid of being held tho your own standards?
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